The secret to getting off Suboxone is:

I considered this exact thing a few months ago. 15 year oxy habit, then rehab onto subs. Been on no more than .375 mgs for 2 1/2 years. now down to .22 or a little more than a fifth of a mg. Maybe 2 months on percs and then try the 1/2 mg for 4 days?

You obviously have never went thru the suboxon prolonged withdraw to the debilitating point. I weened to .25 mg and after 30 days of no sleep went on opiates and weened from there. 

u sir are a bad ass if you banged over 60 80mg oxys a day. No wonder u can just say no. U have no way to take a sub as all of your limbs I'm sure have been amputated. Not saying you cant, but I have a hell of a time opening subs with two hands and you are just a torso!!!

I really need to interject into this conversation. The secret to a successful withdrawal from buprenorphine is to NEVER allow your doctor to administer it in the first place! Take my word, there is NOTHING that is harder to kick than this evil drug! No, not heroin, oxycontin, dilaudid, even methadone. The half life is a killer! My quack had me on 60mg per day! My foolish part in my little passion play was my lack of due diligence before I accepted my "doctors" advice and failure to relinquish his administration of it. It seemed the logical answer to quell the aftereffects of a daily ingestion of 360 mg of oxycontin daily to kill the pain that accompanies cancer. All I can say is the pharmaceutical companies are making maniacal consumers for their grist mills.
Here's how I did it. First let me make one thing perfectly clear. I give ALL glory to God for this, because I never could have done it without the Lord's help. First thing was to switch from pills to sublingual film (2mg). The taper from 60 to 20mg was relatively easy (due to the long half life of the drug). That's when things starting hitting the fan. Forget about working at this point. Give yourself AT LEAST 90 days before you even contemplate heading back to work, so make sure you've saved up a three or four month nest egg. Then get your hands on a couple of "helper drugs". One is a benzo (be careful they are addictive also) to sleep and the other is actually a blood pressure pill named clonidine and lastly a newer drug Neurontin. You will need all these as you progress.
When you get yourself tapered down to approximately 2-3mg per day it's time to start slicing up those 2mg films. ( I don't suggest titrating more than 5mg per week.) I titrated about .25mg per day once I got to 2mg. This when the aforementioned drugs will be quite handy. The clonidine and Neurontin will help make your daily life less miserable and the benzo will help you get at least three hours of sleep a night. Although both sex and exercise DO help, you probably won't be in the mood for either, believe me. At this point you will probably feel the most miserable you have ever felt in your life but don't worry, it's gonna get worse- I promise. After you jump off at NO MORE than .25mg and go to zero, you're really still not at zero because of this hell sent drugs half life. The only way I can explain the feeling is having the flu exponentially multiplied by the power of 10. Don't beat yourself up by being guilty about your inability to get ANYTHING accomplished and don't let anyone else do the same to you. This is just the way it is. Some tips. Heating pads and massagers really do help with the restless leg deal, and do things to try to keep your mind off your misery (the mind really does control the body after all). At this point you have about three weeks till you start to have good/bad days and you will be feeling 70% better after 30-40 days. It wasn't till after about six months that I actually felt like my old self again, so be ready. BUT STAY THE COURSE. If you start you certainly don't want to go through this hell again and again! Another tip. After about four months, get your physician to prescribe Adderall (short term ONLY). It will do wonders for your energy levels, mood and anxiety. It's all on the road to recovery. Good luck and may the Lord bless you with his favor.

I am doing fine so far..I've had a script for three a day but only took one a day. Then I halted the pill,took that then last two weeks took half of a half,eighth of a pill. So far so good. I'm out and feel okay. Weak a little but nothing much. I just wanted off and by the grace off my God I will stay off.

Damn that Torso has some moves, lots you can do with you teeth and nubs I guess

Understand it's a sickness having addiction.sometimes there is no controlling it

I've actually thought about doing this exact same thing. Expect it was gonna go for hydro 10s for a week or 2 and then quit. I just need long enough to get the subs outta my system so I don't withdraw.

Whoever wrote this post is clearly uneducated. Encouraging the use of heroin or any drug after being on subxone - a drug used to get an addict OFF of opioids is just insane! Why would you want to go backward rather than dealing with the minor discomfort that you are enevetably going to have to deal with for a couple of days, (the sniffles, minor body aches, maybe some diarrhea) and then continue your journey in recovery? Im an addict. Im doing this!! We all think that we shouldn't have to feel any pain or withdraw symptoms, expecting subxone or subutex or whatever it may be to be the "cure all" and its not. Whats worse, total withdraw or minor discomfort?

Also, outpatient does work. Theyre there to help you. You just have to have an OPEN MIND. And know how to hold yourself accountable. Its difficult at first, but think of it this way, what you have been doing so far has been getting you where? Exactly. Try it another way. Open mindedness, honesty, and willingness are the keys to your success. Noone can do this but you. Dont blame it on anyone but yourself. Outpatient as well as residential (which I have completed residential successfully, was a peer leeder in there and have moved on to outpatient because I WANT TO.

Subutex causes much more than minor withdrawals. If you haven't felt them then you haven't been on or off them for long enough. Remember not everyone prescribed this drug is or was an opiate addict. Lots of people like myself have been in accidents or have painful medical conditions. I was convinced to switch from 200mg of Roxicodone to 16mg of Sub. Found what I though was a better doctor who dropped me to 8mg, which do the math, with the long half life, after day 5/6 you always have 15.9mg in your system. The side effects of this drug on my urinary tract and cycle are crippling, I am starting physical therapy again to better my injury. My Surgeon and my Pain Medicine Doctor (who takes insurance) both agree the switch to sub was good in the beginning bcs I had to travel and be normal but the doctors keeping me at 8mg for over a year is doing more harm then good. Now for P/T they agree that a much lower dose of oxy or hydrocodone (40mg a day) and a muscle relaxer is best to get me through the therapy I need then they will ween me off this in a much easier process. I've been weened off opiates from medical conditions and procedures multiple times. A good pain doctor will do this and no how. Subutex may help hardcore addicts but for us who mental addiction is not a problem it is not the answer. I have never felt a more insidious drug, even heroin. No matter what they say it's not 4-5 days of PAWS then done. It's about 5-7 days of PAWS then you start the real withdrawal. Then the pain comes and the depression, hopelessness and realization of how hooked your body is on this. It's way easier to ween off opiates. Even if the doctor is calling in your script daily to ensure your not taking more. After a year of hell I will never look at opiate use the same again. It is a shame that people taking it for addiction will rarely be able to convince their doctor into a low opiate ween, stepped down asap. But this does work. Bupe is not very researched as far as long term use goes. But even the truth in the tests we have this far show that it is being misprescribed, prescribed for to long and at to high a dose. 4-7 days is all that is needed if done right.

Did you do this? Did it or is it working?

I so agree with you. I currently have been trying to get myself off subs for over a year now. I honestly may try what the doctor wrote because there is some sense to it. With the opiods in your system you won't withdrawal from the suboxone. Then if you quit those and take a minimum piece of sub you would be in the clear because like he said you will not get addicted to that small amount. You really need to be serious of this though. If you don't think you can take the minimum amounts he's has suggested - go to a treatment center.

Big A's story is truly spot on. Worked like a charm. Thanks for the post. I made the last switch after one month(not 2) though. It only takes 2-3 weeks to get the initial subs addiction out of your system. But yea, totally worked and yea you don't need a lot of sub for the final stage. Went straight from 40mg oxy to 5mg sub the first day after and slightly less in the ensuing 3 days. And then you're done!!

We've all heard the spiel that what works for one person may not work for another, but all in all I agree with big a. 2 mg of bupenorphine is a lot and bupe is way way way over prescribed. 2mg is currently the lowest dosage available of bupenorphine and the medical professionals will tell you and expect that a person will have minimal to no WDs when at jumping at 2mg. This is so wrong and far from the truth it's ludicrous. I believe in big a's approach but it doesn't have to be two months and you don't have to go back to sub/bupe. Just ride two weeks at the lowest possible dose of oxy that you can. This is where the problem lies because drug addicts have 0% self control, yep 0%. So this won't work unless the addict knows someone who they can trust to help with this type of approach, otherwise the addict is going to take all of them in the first 24 to 48 hours, if not 12....sound familiar? The addict needs someone willing to give them oxy- 10 mg in the morning and 10mg at night and yes they may need to start higher and work down. Then 5mg in the morning and 10 mg at night. Then 5 and 5. Then only 5. Then you won't need the sh*t any longer. The schedule will be dependent on cash flow and availability too. This no doubt will work in terms of getting you off sub/bupe with minimal WDs and not have any real bouts with WDs from oxy either, but you must have that person you trust and that you won't lie too and you'll need to be able to get your taper supply = cash. It would be great if medical industry professionals understood the potency of bupenorphine and would figure out a way to dispense oxy in this way-that gets the addict off both bupenorphine and oxy without the addicts finding loopholes and other BS that f**ks it up for people wanting to be clean. Big a's program will work for most if you can pull it off. It is the best way to get off opiates imo without having extreme WDs, you know the restless leg tossing and f*****g turning, insomnia for days, massive bouts of depression, nausea, anxiety, full blown fatigue caked with malaise, irratufuckingbility - you know something like that.

I get it, I really do..are you off now?