want off heroin with suboxone with no withdrawl from either? found a way

It's not that easy honestly. And *DO NOT* mix suboxone and methadone or you're in for a world of hurt! I've been on suboxone (between 2-4 mg PER DAY) since 2013. I had been on and off, mostly on, pills for like six years after a car accident. No one ever knew, except my then boyfriend. Moved on to heroin for a few years until I got pregnant, then I had to tell my doc about my active addiction. And my parents, who still believe I only did percs (they're in total denial to this day). I was put on subutex immediately then switched to suboxone after I had my child. I've slipped a handful of times, mostly "planned relapses", if that makes sense. I tried to taper with subs in the beginning as I didn't want to take subs forever. I couldn't get through the second day, even with clonodine, flexiril, potassium, Imodium, and xanax/kolonopin. I am also lacking self-control and can't stand being uncomfortable aka in any state of withdrawal.

So I most recently slipped-up a few weeks ago. Child was gone for three days so I kind of planned this. Took my small bit of sub in the morning like usual (I split up my dose throughout the day), then actually picked up some h around noon. Shot like five bags, felt pretty good too. Even though I took some sub, I waited at least four hours for the nalaxone to lose its effectiveness and ate a few kpins so I was pretty high. Kept this going for a few days, minus taking the sub. Day five - HELLLLL!!!! I did my last seven to 10 bags around 6-7pm and woke up at 3am dying. From a dead sleep I was woken up by my legs kicking, sweating, snotting, everything! I was super confused as to why I was withdrawing so badly when it wasn't even 10 hours since I did h. I stupidly crushed up a sub and snorted a line, maybe 4mg's, thinking I would be ok in 20 minutes. Biggest mistake ever! I was thrown into precipitated withdrawals like I've read about. Legit puking out my nose and violently shaking. My husband almost called 911. I was so sick, I didn't care what I had to do to feel better so I did more sub. Nothing. Did the rest of the 8mg pill, and like two hours and five kpins later, I was able to lay down. I pretty much laid in bed all day until like 4pm when my buddy came by with some h, which I did because I have next to zero self control. Anyways, I still felt off until the next morning.

I thought about this a ton and I believe I was withdrawing from the sub only. If that is what it feels like to withdraw from suboxone on day ONE - and only taking a MAX of four milligrams per day - I can't imagine what it feels like to be in full WD's from sub. I believe the people who think it's as easy as a week of tapering, they don't have a true habit or are simply naive. I don't see too many people coming back to post their success stories of their miracle "one week taper". If you play, you pay. Your body isn't going to fix itself in a week if you've been using stuff for years. Just being real with you; I want to be off everything too but it's not as simple as that. I wish everyone luck on their journey.

Yes, this does work! However, there is a far better way to do it to make sure that the most amount of withdraws you feel will be a maximum of 30 min to an hour.
When it comes to dancing with the devil and then wanting to stop, it all depends on how frequent you dose, I don't care if you do half a gram a day but only do one dose a day at 24 hour intervals, you will be A LOT better off trying to get off of it than someone who only does .25g a day but does every two hours.

WITHDRAWS START WITH THE PSYCHOLOGICAL BRAIN!

If I have only been dosing once or twice a day for even a month or two then a steady taper from the heroin will work just fine without triggering any withdraws. The trick is to buy your weekly dose in one trip before you start so your not trying to taper with different purities. Then go buy a milligram scale and write out a good 10-day plan. Start with always decreasing your dose by a tenth 0.100 if you're doing over 2 grams a day and if you are doing under a gram a day then decrease in increments of .050. Make sure to schedule your doses so you are taking them roughly the same time of day that you usually dose so your psychological brain isn't wondering why you're in a familiar situation but something is missing...(heroin) and then it starts to panic. You can get yourself down to .05 twice a day within a week then you can try .025, then once a day, then done. This will work with no withdraws at all. The timed microdoses will start off as a relief for you then you will slowly start to notice their effect less and less. If you search most forums they will say that tapering with heroin is an awful idea and that your bound to relapse and just do a huge dose instead of sticking to your schedule, because, remember your not going to be feeling that "high" while your tapering, your just tapering so you don't have to face the massive withdraws. You have to make that decision when your starting to taper that you are finally DONE, you don't want to get high anymore, if not, don't do it.

OKAY, BUT WHAT IF YOUR DOSING LIKE EVERY 2 HOURS?!

Well, your not completely screwed, but you're close. If I ever slip too far into that black pond and start dosing every couple hours chasing that high then this is my only option.
First, I would recommend suboxone, I have heard methadone works as well but I have never tried it, so this is for suboxone only as far as I know. I would recommend getting ten 8mg strips just be safe, even if you don't use all of them you never know how hard that first couple days are going to be. Once you have your suboxone then the best thing for you to do is..... just do or get rid of all your f*****g dope and don't SAVE ANY! Seriously, get rid of ALL of it. If your mind has been clouded to the point where your dosing heroin every 2 hours then your willpower is sh*t, it's completely depleted so to make the transition from junkie to superstar your going to have to be so fed up with the way your living that you finally pull the trigger (metaphorically of course) and get rid of EVERYTHING.
Now I also recommend doing your last dose of H a few hours before bed and get as much sleep as possible! This is the hard part. Most doctors recommend waiting almost 18 to 24 hours until your already heavily withdrawing or until your a 27 on the COWS withdraw sheet (I'm not going to post a link to it because I think its sh*t) or the suboxone will flood your opioid receptors and empty them completely out, without fully replacing the "dope molecules" that was making you feel good. This is called precipitated withdraws and they f*****g suck. Imagine instead of slowly creeping into that treacherous withdraw stage, it all comes together and hits you at once. Yeah, this is it, this is the 30 min to hour I was talking about earlier that you might withdraw from with this method.

You can either
A.) wait for the 18 to 24 hours. good luck, if your dosing every couple hours then after about 10 hours your going to be in hell and searching through your contacts to see who is good so you can relapse and fill better...
or
B.) Say f**k it and just start your suboxone whenever you wake up and find yourself wanting to go get right and dose your heroin again like normal.....Send yourself into Precipitated Withdraws! That's right, induce it. Suboxone also has a drug called naloxone in it that makes it where you can no longer get the desired effects from opiates and yeah it also makes you feel like complete sh*t if you try and dose. So once you take the suboxone then there's no chance in hell your going to go try and buy some more dope because it won't work, its a waste of time and money. So once you're in for the ride you're in.
Now when you take your suboxone don't take it all at once (assuming you have 8mg pills or strips), start off with 2 mg and always put it under your tongue. Your body can not process 8mg of suboxone at a time... you are wasting it if you do this. Once you take your first 2mg dose then you're going to start sweating, your pupils will dilate and you will most likely go completely detoxify your stomach lol. You will probably feel full on WD right now but don't worry after 10 min takes another 2 mg. This will start to help. Then continue to take another 2mg in 10-20 min increments until your body starts to finally calm down and you stop sweating. This should take anywhere from 8-16mg... NOT A LOT.
Once you have stopped sweating then you have successfully managed to get off heroin, go into Full Withdraw, and then recover. Now you have to worry about getting off subs without WD. Easy, TAPER. If you started at a 16mg max dose the first day then just drop 4-2mg every day until you're at 2mg then cut that in half every day until you're at .5g.... yes you will have to do some damn good proportional cutting. (The last step isn't necessary for me, I can stop at 2mg and feel no noticeable withdraws but a few friends of mine have so that's why I say end at .5)

Well, that's it, folks. That's how it's done. I have used both these methods around 12-15 times and have seen them used on friends over 20 times. I am not an expert on withdraws but this has worked every time for us. You may be different and your precipitated withdraws may last the severe extreme of 3 days, etc.
However, with everyone I know who has used the method above, none of us has ever experienced a withdraw longer than an hour. (When first taking subs)

I really hope this helps someone or gives them the balls to finally quit. While we all love dope or we wouldn't be here, there is a better life without it and you don't finally realize that until your off the dope more than a couple months so at least give it a try and switch sh*t up in your life and see if it's for the better or not.

CHEERS!!

I'm currently in the same boat. I've been doing H for about 2 years and addicted to opiates for around 7. I've tried subs countless times before but always went back to the H. This time I expected to take the subs for a week or until I ran out and then go back but I used the subs for 3 days and now it's been 3 days since my last dose and I have yet to feel any type of withdrawal. I've been scared that the subs are still in my system and that's why I'm doing so well but the last time I did them, I only did less than 1/4 of an 8mg and that was 3 days ago. I'm hoping that this is it. I've deleted all my "contacts" from my phone and just pray that I don't go back or have to get more subs and get hooked on them

Hey, I did exactly what you just talked about. Only I was stuck on a mrgadone clinic for a year. I tried this, I used h to get off the methadone. FAilure for me. That drug , HEROIN, controls our minds. It took me out for about 2 weeks, and then I had to go on the entire suboxone and h detox. It's a VICIOUS cycle. I had to accept once and for all , I needed to accept that I'm going to be sick no matter what method I would choose. I honestly just needed to pick the best way I thought would work and do it no matter WHAT and go thru it.

Im doin it!! Its working. Its working!

Well why and how much Suboxone do I need to take on day 2 I'm nauchous and sick at my stomach and it's so unbearable plz any answers would help me so much I was doing 2 1/2 grams a day but I got down to like mabe between 1,2, mabe 3 just depends how much money I got each day

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Im sorry to hear that this drug is the worst