:-) Well be careful what uwish for i have been saying for the past 10 yrs. i was against drugs my whole life until the age 28 the husband had did pills for the fun and feel of it and i started to get tired of being the boring little house wife so i starting the oxycotin with him went to spliltting 20 to one each and 40 then on to two 60 each a day well we wantedout so he started the methadone clinic and split with me every day, about two yrs into that i hurt my back serverllyand had to go to pain management so i really needed this pain to go away so i had to withdrawl from methadone in order to go back to perocets 10 four a day and with vicodin in between, well after being in same pain management dr had 1 bad urine had suboxone in it cause i couldnt make to my appt for my meds nor epidurals shots so i was out, now sback on the suboxone until finally we moved went to familydr for referral to pain management with charts he did a urine test on me, in which i know suboxonewill show i needed thepain to ease off plus as u all know they push the narcotics then cut u off like they are god, playing with ur life your pain your pride, so i go back next week and dont knowwhat he will say about the sub in system so most likely will not be able to get meds and epiduarals shots so i am screwed either way
am going through something similar. they satrted me out on opana, an oxymorphone long acting. at first it worked well, no probs with mood etc... then I got nauseated when they upped the dose and switched me to this fentanyl patch and my mood has turned to pure evil. I'd rather have the pain. after three days I ripped the patch off and went back to the opana, fortunately had a couple laying around and they allow me three oxy's a day for break through pain which don't do jack. after being on this for 5.5 years no wonder. BUT you have to be careful in being proactive in your treatment because then it looks like you are ASKING for drugs. the whole system is total BS. I am living with foot pain have gained 80 poause of ..have treid to stay active but until they can get my mood under control, nothing is possible. I'm also taking cymbalta which does help with the depression
They want too put you through a gauntlet, to see if you have any reaction....then after all is said and done they put you back on the same ir meds that worked...its a f*****g joke, this is all because of a few bad that spoiled the barrel..and the people that legitimately need meds..for pain have to suffer the backslash...and its about control...do you them stoping the the use of the use of alcohol, tobacco...which kills more people then anything else ..this government and society is too blame, just as these politicians lie or lied about marijuana,......cures chronic pain..and over 100 other medical issues......and for the . There had never been a case where anyone in the united states or as a fact died from some illness, from pot....is about big business.. the top500 fortune 500 company's are pharmaceuticals, the other is oil....
i was on fentanyl patches for several years due to ddd and 3 cervical implants and a fusion and I now have a L4/5 herniation. decided to come off the fent. went into 3 dayrehab and was put onsuboxone. after 3 days i was weaned off. wasn't to bad other than i was verysluggish and blue. I then started to go to an out patient rehab clinic and they put me back on sub and I have been on it since. The problem came when I went in for 2 dental implants. I stopped the sub 3 days ahead of surgery. I was prescribed vicodin ex and it didn't do a thing. I even felt like I was going into withdrawals and used sub this morning. Is there any pain med other than fentanyl, which I know can attached to my receptors after using sub, that can provide relief?
I am in the same predicament as you, I have severe arthritis all over my body, and fibromyalgia. I have tries all kinds of pain relievers. Right now, I a on Fentynol patches (75mcg) every 3 days. I was on oxycontin, which helped, but my doctor was afraid I was getting addicted. I still have some oxycontin left, (40mgs) and I was wondering if I could take them with the fentynol patch? anyone know?
Your post does a tremendous disservice to all of us who have lived with chronic pain for years and years. And, many of those years chronic pain patients have had to go WITHOUT ANY MEDICATION because nobody would prescribe it - even pain management doctors!!!! Do some research and find out how many chronic pain patients are HORRENDOUSLY UNDERTREATED! Pain management doctors in general (always exceptions to everything) are attempting to give relief to chronic pain patients who previously have had little to NO RELIEF. I was one of those patients. I've had my condition for over 22 years and for the first 10 years had NO RELIEF AT ALL. I thought I was doomed to live with the pain. I went to so many different doctors the first 3-4 years and they prescribed physical therapy, massage, injections, NSAIDS - NONE OF WHICH HELPED ME AT ALL!!! None of them would prescribe narcotics because they were afraid I would get addicted. There's a HUGE difference between addiction and dependence - research that too!!! The next 5 years I 'sucked up' the pain as you so call it and only took Ibuprofen. I was working and in excrutiating pain daily. I went out on short term disability 5-7 times during a 10 years with the company I worked for. I was put on Suboxone first and I had great success with it. And it's made to make a person feel like c**p who try to abuse it because it was first used only for addicts. I was on it for 3 years and moved across the country. My doctor thought I would be able to get it in the state I was moving to - not the case. They were just in the very beginning stages of using it w/addicts. I went through a hellish withdrawal, but it wasn't my choice to stop it. I was then referred to a pain clinic by my family doc. There I was prescribed Methadone which I'd never had until I was hospitalized during my withdrawal from Suboxone. I started on it and it felt like a miracle to me. I didn't feel high. I felt like I was a 'normal' person again with very manageable pain. 3 years later something happened which I prefer not to state here, but I had to quit it cold turkey. I was never so sick in my life. Withdrawal from Methadone can take anywhere between 3 weeks to 2 years to be detoxed because of it's long half lives. I didn't research it enough and went back on it from another pain management doctor. I started noticing things about it that I didn't like. I asked him to put me on Suboxone this past March and was told that Suboxone was no longer being used for pain management - only for addicts. Not knowing enough about what would work well for me and knowing I was going to be moving back across the country I stayed on Methadone. This past July I saw this pain management doctor for the last time (he was a wonderful caring doctor too) and he gave me ann extra prescription so I wouldn't have to go through withdrawal again. I moved back got the extra prescription filled and numerous pills were stolen from me. I had no transportation and no internet connection where I was staying initially so I couldn't get to Welfare to apply for medical assistance. I only do Welfare until I can function in order to look for and then work. Right now I'm back in the 3rd week of a withdrawal I wouldn't wish on anyone. It's horrible. I've been researching it this time and will NEVER EVER go back on Methadone. I will go back on something because my pain is unbearable, but it won't be a short acting narcotic because what those do for me is make me want to take more because they're NOT long acting. So I've had to do the ER rounds which I detest, but I have no money right now and I am truly unable to function during methadone withdrawal. So with that being said who in God's name do you think you are to tell/demand people with chronic pain to ONLY take 'heavy stuff' if you're terminally ill otherwise don't and suck up as much of the pain as possible??? I know people don't have to and most won't take your so called advice - advice from a person who's only been in pain management for 10 months at time of post. I strongly suggest you apply those demands to your own situation. I also strongly suggest doing your own damn research on different narcotics to learn of the possible effects and not rely on the doctor to tell you because they're too busy treating chronic pain patients who APPRECIATE them. NOBODY reacts exactly the same and it's a very very personal decision with a chronic pain patient as to what they choose (if even given a choice - many pain management clinics only prescribe certain narcotics) to take. I know this reply to your post is harsh because you, in my opinion NEED to come off your high horse and stop showing total ignorance about the whole chronic pain situation as well as the pain management doctors. I do HOPE you've learned much much more since your post.
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Hello Everyone, Pain Meds nearly ruined my life. I've taken most everything mentioned here at one time or another. I was even believing my own lies and when I busted my own Car windows out claiming someone had stolen my medicine, it was my wakeup call. For 6 months I stood in line at 5:30 in the mornings almost an hour from my home to get my dose of Methadone while wearing my starched shirt and Business suit because I'd been cut off at the other Pain Mgmt places. I reached a point to where it was either lose everything I had including my family, or find help and I did. I got on Suboxone over 2 yrs ago now and my life is as normal as it was before the drugs, and I have a degenerative Muscle disease called Polymyositis. I'm 58 yrs old and the thought if losing my wife, kids, and my business got my attention. Sure Suboxone is a strong Narcotic, but when my Neurologist/Pain Doctor told me it had been prescribed at the Betty Ford Clinic while he was being treated there for Alcoholism, I trusted him and boy am I glad I did. I'm free of Mind Altering drugs and have been for over 2 yrs and have a wonderful family life today thank God. It does help some with the pain I have, but to me, the trade off is worth everything, I would rather hurt at times and make it through the relapses than face living life alone with me self destructing, being on the other meds. Get the right doctors, Pain Mgmt and Psychiatrist or Psychologis, to help you through these times. There are good doctors out there that want to truly help you, but you have to work to find them. I'm sure there will be some that have such Acute Pain they feel nothing will work, but I encourage everyone that wants out of the prison you feel you are in to try my way. Suboxone is a Strong Narcotic but it isn't Mind Altering or Life Changing the way Narcotics are. Just don't lose the faith, you can get your life back, I certainly did. Even though I may be on Suboxone the rest of my life, so what, I can't tell any difference in the way I feel today versus how I did before I took my first Narcotic. My wife has her husband back and my kids have their Dad one again.
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Im sorry to tell you that if you dont want to be on hard drugs, Suboxone is the last drug you want to be on, the active opiate in suboxone is far stronger than oxycodone in oxycontin, buprenorphine is one of the strongest opiates in the world, people dont think it is because itr doesnt get many people high because of it antagonist properties but trust me you would of been better off staying on the oxycontin, at least the W/D from oxycontin is short, suboxone you will be in W/D for months, its a maintenance drug like methadone and has a long half-life which means it takes a lot longer to get out of your system. I realize you are in pain but you also said you dont want to be hooked, well with suboxone or methadone you are gonna be hooked beyond belief, trust me. Stay with the short acting drugs or even oxycontin.
Hi there, I think that this information is pretty helpful. I actually aws given the option of taking or the other and I went with oxys and I am glad that I did. Thanks for this really informational post!
Hello Everyone, Pain Meds nearly ruined my life. I've taken most everything mentioned here at one time or another. I was even believing my own lies and when I busted my own Car windows out claiming someone had stolen my medicine, it was my wakeup call. For 6 months I stood in line at 5:30 in the mornings almost an hour from my home to get my dose of Methadone while wearing my starched shirt and Business suit because I'd been cut off at the other Pain Mgmt places. I reached a point to where it was either lose everything I had including my family, or find help and I did. I got on Suboxone over 2 yrs ago now and my life is as normal as it was before the drugs, and I have a degenerative Muscle disease called Polymyositis. I'm 58 yrs old and the thought if losing my wife, kids, and my business got my attention. Sure Suboxone is a strong Narcotic, but when my Neurologist/Pain Doctor told me it had been prescribed at the Betty Ford Clinic while he was being treated there for Alcoholism, I trusted him and boy am I glad I did. I'm free of Mind Altering drugs and have been for over 2 yrs and have a wonderful family life today thank God. It does help some with the pain I have, but to me, the trade off is worth everything, I would rather hurt at times and make it through the relapses than face living life alone with me self destructing, being on the other meds. Get the right doctors, Pain Mgmt and Psychiatrist or Psychologis, to help you through these times. There are good doctors out there that want to truly help you, but you have to work to find them. I'm sure there will be some that have such Acute Pain they feel nothing will work, but I encourage everyone that wants out of the prison you feel you are in to try my way. Suboxone is a Strong Narcotic but it isn't Mind Altering or Life Changing the way Narcotics are. Just don't lose the faith, you can get your life back, I certainly did. Even though I may be on Suboxone the rest of my life, so what, I can't tell any difference in the way I feel today versus how I did before I took my first Narcotic. My wife has her husband back and my kids have their Dad one again.
Just so you know, in my opinion anyway, suboxone was way harder for me to get off of than oxy was. Perhaps because i was doing oxy for a little over 1 year hard, and then suboxone for a year and half. I blame that on me being a wimp and it taking me 7 months to successfully taper from 12 mg of suboxone to nothing. I actually had to go to rehab to get off of suboxone and the withdraws lasted over 7 days. But I can say today that I have been 100% clean for 10 months and i feel like just now my brain is starting to repair itself.
Well, your post makes sense if you plan on staying on it the rest of your life. But suboxone is most definitely a mind altering drug. You do know it is still infact an opiate. It's hard as hell to get off of, but I suppose if you never plan on doing than you don't need to worry about that
sub was THe worst WD I've ever been through .
To Yours and the Story above yours, I reply: This is in extreme contrast to what I know to be true. You both, unfortunately, had doctors that prescribed Suboxone without knowing how to properly treat with it or you did not use it according to doctor's "exact" directions. Three months to a year of withdrawals? That's crazy! I have known others (besides myself) that have taken Suboxone after long term "legitimate" pain medication (opitates). I personally finished the suboxone treatment, including the weaning period, in three months. Not a withdrawal did I have. I can say the same for someone I know who was prescribed Suboxone to withdraw from heroin addiction. Again, following doctor's exact directions, her entire treatment (again, including the weaning period) in five months. I post this not to argue with you but only to respectfully rebut your submission. For the sake of the lives Suboxone may save, PLEASE be careful what you post or at the very least, give the whole story and be completely honest. For anyone who needs help with opiate withdrawal, please do your research, find a legitimate, trustworthy doctor (check their credentials!), and use Suboxone ONLY as "exactly" prescribed. If it is your honest desire to withdraw from opiates with little to NO discomfort, Suboxone works miracles..and will hopefully continue to save, and/or restore quality of life for many to come.
Thank you so much for your excellent testimonial regarding the "proper" use of Suboxone. I responded to a negative suboxone comment posted recently solely for the purpose of other readers. After reading their comments regarding "3 months to year withdrawals" and "it being one of the strongest opiates in the world" (their words), I felt I HAD to say something. Their posts, if taken seriously, would scare the bejeezus out of anyone thinking about starting suboxone treatment. I won't repeat my post except to reiterate that I have witnessed this live-saving drug restore a quality of life to more than a few people, and without doubt, saved some of their lives. IF suboxone is prescribed (and monitored) under a qualified, reputable doctor's care and followed "exactly" as directed, complete withdrawal CAN be achieved within a short time, including the weaning process (2-6 months). I have found that most suboxone doctors work collaboratively with the patient as to how long it will take. They will NOT cut you off and they will wean you according to BOTH of your inputs.
Although your situation, rcrocker, and many others, due to life-altering, chronic, pain, suboxone may be needed very long term or indefinitely. Under your physician's care, you will learn what you need to know if this is the case. I did want to stress, however, that if used strictly for opiate addiction, the withdrawal can be extremely comfortable and done in a very short time. Suboxone can be a life saver, either long term or short, and testimonials such as yours will help others to see what a difference it can truly make in one's life.
For anyone who needs help with opiate withdrawal, please do your research (legitimate medical websites i.e WebMD), find a legitimate, trustworthy doctor (check their credentials!), and use Suboxone ONLY as "exactly" prescribed. If it is your honest desire to withdraw from opiates with little to NO discomfort, Suboxone works miracles.
Your testimonial is heartwarming and worthy of reading for anyone looking for a "way out" but feel they have no place to turn. Thank You, rcrocker. The best to you and your family.
Although your situation, rcrocker, and many others, due to life-altering, chronic, pain, suboxone may be needed very long term or indefinitely. Under your physician's care, you will learn what you need to know if this is the case. I did want to stress, however, that if used strictly for opiate addiction, the withdrawal can be extremely comfortable and done in a very short time. Suboxone can be a life saver, either long term or short, and testimonials such as yours will help others to see what a difference it can truly make in one's life.
For anyone who needs help with opiate withdrawal, please do your research (legitimate medical websites i.e WebMD), find a legitimate, trustworthy doctor (check their credentials!), and use Suboxone ONLY as "exactly" prescribed. If it is your honest desire to withdraw from opiates with little to NO discomfort, Suboxone works miracles.
Your testimonial is heartwarming and worthy of reading for anyone looking for a "way out" but feel they have no place to turn. Thank You, rcrocker. The best to you and your family.
Why don't we get to the point instead of being screwed up on narcotics talking about. I've broken my leg and back six times. Was hit by a bus. and i destroyed a tank with just a pistol. I have been taking 20 fentanyl pops a day and 4000 mg's of oxycontin. I am SICK of motherfuckers getting zooted and talking about there "pain" When everyone just needs to admit they are SEVERELY addicted to all this sh*t. "im still in pain after taking 200mgs of oxycodone." NO YOUR TOLERANCE IS SKY HIGH AND IT'S BECAUSE YOU LET URSELF GET THERE. NORMALLY 80mg COULD OVERDOSE A OPIATE NAIVE PATIENT. Get a grip guys.
Thank you so much for the information. Sorry to hear about your struggle with pain. I just started taking oxycocet a few days ago 5/325 take one to 1/2 as needed for pain up to four times a day. I take one in the a.m. and 1/2 one at bedtime. I am going to discuss this with my doctor and Pharmacist as I don't need any more pain in my life or any kind of addiction.
Thanks again
Peace
Bettie
hi. i've been on suboxone for one year now, same as you, for chronic pain management. when i asked the dr if there would come a time i might want to get OFF of it, she just looked at me and shook her head. but i have to say, i'd been on all you talked about - had been on them for 6 yrs and like you, came to HATE the oxycontin when a rehab dr told me the suboxone was the best pain medicine available now. and for me, it has been. i originally refused it for a couple of days after the initial withdrawal it caused and also, like you, i was going to be back in a wheelchair without SOMETHING. so i conceded & the morning after i was given my first real dose of the suboxone i dropped a sock, and after picking it up dropped it again just to see if i was actually able to bend without pain. i was shocked. it has been a godsend for me. oh, and if i understand right doctors are forbidden by law to give patients who've had some confirmed addiction problem those short-acting narcotics again. it's not that they don't want to. but in years prior it had been my experience that dr's were definitely PUSHING the oxycontin, even though the dr who put me on suboxone last year said oxy is an 'awful drug.' it's all about money, and medicine is primarily STILL a business. my pain is very well controlled but after a year of being on the suboxone (only 3 of the 2 mg films a day now), i'm really having a hard time with every other little thing affecting me in odd ways. tests show i need to be on thyroid medicine but now paying for my own natural stuff neither the armour thyroid OR the orig synthroid (which i have taken b4 with great results) i'm really struggling with taking anything for the thyroid, or simple vitamins, or energy drinks, etc.... everything leaves me really feeling AWFUL within a few hours and i have to think it's the suboxone in my system since i've never had problems with these things b4. i'm also having headaches with the new films (makers of the suboxone are stopping making the tablets & switching everyone over to the films if you haven't already found out) and they seem to be causing headaches and they can really burn under my tongue at times. both you & your dr just have to make some tough decisions when it comes down to something as vital as being mobile. good luck to you.