suboxone long-term negative effects

I am sorry that you feel that way, but it is very apparent that you are not an opiate addict. I know you have seen people who are close to you go through it, but into it is you feeling the withdrawl you really have no idea how it feels. Suboxone may not be a miracle drug, but it is a lot better than the alternative, Methadone. You say its a clutch just because a person may continue to take it for an extended period. Well what about heart medications or medications for blood pressure, cholesterol, depression etc?Are those crutches too? I am also a Christian and without God it is very difficult to be happy and successful, but sometimes God doesn't just fix you right away, but provides the means,. Sometimes he uses other people and even medications. Relying on God is ultimately the right way to go, but what it sounds like is that you would advise a person with a life long illnesses, ie cancer, heart disease or addiction, to refuse medication and treatment and only rely on God. You sound like a very judgemental person. When a person is that addicted tto a subtance, it may take years of psychological and medical treatment to overcome their addiction. It's not just the substance you get addicted to. A lot of times it's the impulsive and illogical thinking and actions a person develops during their active addiction that really destroys lives. If it took 10 years to learn the behavior, it may take 10 to unlearn it also.Putting a couple films under your tongue everyday until you are confident enough to completely give it up isn't such a bad thing.

Same thing happened to my wife,

How do i get in touch with you? so how much is suboxone

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i am sorry that your family had to go thru that .i just started suboxone and have been on xanex as needed well i call dr before taking cause i couldnt sleep and there is an interaction that causes phycosis depression, anxiety so i dumped them

Same thing happened to my wife,
How do i get in touch with you? so how much is suboxone
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I have been with my bf for a little over 2 years and the first year I was with him he was addicted to oxys, cocaine, anything he could get his hands on. He started on subs and everything calmed down. Then one day he became abusive. Found out he was doing cocaine with the subs. He went to detox for a week and not a week later from being back he was taking loratabs.... Then roxys. He has now gotten back on subs but also takes adderal. He has crazy mood swings and is far more depressed than I have ever seen him. He also has a hard time keeping an erection sometimes. I am not sure if his depression comes from the subs and adderal or if he is clinically depressed. I dont know what to do. He steals from friends and family to get money for the subs and makes bad decisions that I dont feel like the sober him would do. I'm scared he is going to get worse or have long term effects from the subs. Can someone please help me? I have a life with him and he has gone to anger management classes, no longer abusive in anyway. Deep down the best person I know (under all the drug use). Can't afford rehab and I am out of options. He has tried to get clean on his own but ends up going back to subs after less tan a week. Once again someone please help me! Email me

Buprenorphine, the active chemical in Suboxone, is a great medication to take care of cravings for opioids but does not in and of itself correct all the underlying issues associated with addictive behaviors.  It's a HUGE and helpful part of what will become, in the future, the gold standard in opioid addiction treatment.  That being said, it's only a PART....Anyone who simply stops using opioids and begins taking Suboxone will likely not be a 'completely perfect' person within a short period of time...Changing ones personality, which is essentially what an addict has to do to become socially acceptable, is a lifelong process.  Leave the addict alone if they are on Suboxone and not actively using other opioids, at least they are less likely to die of an opioid overdose; isn't that in and of itself something positive?  For all the people who believe that Suboxone is 'okay' for some arbitrary amount of time less than indefinite, I don't get you.  What other disease or even medical condition with an available treatment, albeit a controversial treatment, is treated with so much distain?  NO, Suboxone is NOT a CURE, but in medicine today how many conditions are actually cured?!  Not a lot!  Conditions are treated and maintained or put into remission with regular use of medications.  People with hypertension aren't told that after X amount of time they should stop taking beta-blockers lest they become physically dependent on them; physical dependence and addiction are two completely different phenomenons!  T-Dizzle, yo.

Most ppl dont understand the damage that has been done to our brains after abusing opiates, etc, and even a PERMANENT CHEMICAL IMBALANCE! The suboxone is a drug that can be used for short term OR long term use depending on the PERSON and their INDIVIDUAL STORY. my husband and i have been on it for 6 years and have been SLOWLY tappering off. It has helped us so much and we are thankful for it, as this drug along with the changes of our old ppl, places and things, has helped us to get us feeling back to a normal state, actually living a good blessed life. It has helped us. No matter HOW LONG your on it, it can be a great help for us addicts. Lindsay

ive been on subs for 8 years theyve made me normal than i used to be so i can make a living for me and my family. but im curious to know what is going to happen after 20 years of continued use. not that that is my goal but what if.. are we guinea pigs? what is the long term life negative side effects? i havent experienced anything negative after this long.. other than rare mood swings and constant constipation haha, but yeah other than that i think its great. hope im not wrong, if anyones been on it longer than me and has odd side effects let me know. im getting sick of doing these though, whats my other choices methadone, subutex, oxys... not good but its the truth. im a lifer.

Hi,

I'm 29 years old. Started abusing and became addicted to morphine at 15. I was an active addict for 6 years gaining tolerance and moving up in ranks in opiates to oxycontin 240mg per dose, and frequently sucking all the juice from 150mcg fentanyl patches occasionally ,I even went to rehab 3x. The first 2x i detoxed with catapryss patches. The third, short term suboxone taper. I was sober for small periods of time, but always went back. I went to rehab a 4th time. Short term suboxone taper. I finally realized it was an opiate they were giving me btw, they never told me what i was taiking. I got out of rehab and was sober for a week or so when my appendix decided to burst. In the hospital the addict in me ( who dreamed of something catastrophic happening to him his whole addiction so he could be on hardcore opiates legitimately) came out, and although my pain was controlled by the first shot of toradol that they gave me (non-narcotic), I did a little acting and bang here comes the morphine. Morphine wouldn't do it, my tolerance was still sky high so bang here comes the diludad. Heres some vicoden inbetween. Here is a script for oxy's and vicoden to take home with you. God Damn, what timing. I actually still had recovery in my brain, didn't accept the oxy script, and left with the vicoden script. I called a psychiatrist, one of the 10 or so doctors at that time to be distributing suboxone outpatient.  I tried t get high one more time, I dissolved all 60 vicoden and filtered out the tylenol, and drank it up. I didn't get all that high. 

I was on suboxone for a total of 7 and a half years straight. I can't say straight because I had tried to detox off of them like 6x in those years, never making it past 12 days or so. I didn't notice any changes in that suboxone did to me. I attribute this to being such a young addict who didnt even know who he was or how he felt normally, because it started a year post puberty and I was getting used to the new me you know. 

I do believe that suboxone did save my life. Even when i was like 16, I knew I wouldn't live to see 25... somehow i just knew it. In the latter years of my active addiction I prayed it would come sooner, but being semi religious I could never really kill myself although i made a few pathetic attempts a few times. 

Now, I have been off of suboxone since January 12th, which is 61 days. I could only do this by either A:) going to a LONG term facility, which i can't afford and I'm recently married. or B:) Take 15mg of Adderrall 4x a day, take 10mg of valium 2x a day, clonodine .01mg 3x a day, milk thistle, lots of water, a physically active and challenging job, lots of prayers to my God, one to St. Jude, (a catholic saint), support of my wife, most of the time, etc.

It has been HARD. Before when I stopped the anxiety that I already generally had skyrocketed. I didnt dream of taking any kind of stimulant. I didn't even drink coffee...which I drink a lot of daily, for fear of the hell it would reak on my psyche. I have ADD and have been on and off of adderrall forever, and never even wanted to try and take it. But out of options, I relented. I was prescribed ativan 2x a day for the detox attempt before this one. They don't last long enough to work effectively. So I've been on valium. I've been managing. 

I am still cloudy, unmotivated, depressed, have anxiety due to the fact I am weaning down on valium and I have built a tolerance to its affects. I seem to have more natural energy now, but ONLY feel good or happy after working. And working physically. This is truly the only way to get my body to make endorphins. But even that is short lived. I wonder how long it will take to figure out who I am, I don't even remember or even know how I'm supposed to feel. I do feel very damaged though. 

Long term use of suboxone can help you, even save your life. It is bittersweet though, I've put my life back together for the most part, and feel to grow to my full potential I need to be free from opiates and everything else. I am kind of an eccentric, I want to live my spiritual life to the fullest. I know I'm on heavy doses of something other than opiates, but it is the only thing that has ever worked. I'm slowly weaning off both. It does give me anxiety. I just really want to feel like a human again. I want to have true emotions, which I have maybe 2% at the moment. I want to make my wife happy, but its hard to fake genuine emotion without being Dexter.

This is my story on the subject thus far.......

Peace to everyone, and Love one another for peats sake.

If u feel u want to be on for life, move to subutex. After 8 years you should have the control not to inject the stuff, which i'm not sure would do anything extra if injected anyway. Im 61 days off suboxone after being on for 8 years. I've had terrible mood swings, which were made worse by the treatment of my ADD with adderrall, it made my ADD ten times worse. I don't have the hyperactive kind, but the inattentive, unorganized, stuck in his head kind. I developed weird muscle twitches that were very uncomfortable and just unnerving. I've read these symptoms are more attributed to the naloxone in suboxone. Naloxone has never been studied for long term use, and used to only be used to stop an overdose. An emergency drug. Doctors say that it doesn't enter your bloodstream under your tongue, but it's not like you spit after letting the pill or film dissolve, so where does it go? I've been hopeful in this detox after 8 years on subs, but I'm still suffering mentally and physically. Doctors don't really know what these drugs are dong to us. Suboxone has only been approved for outpatient use since 2002, so there is literally no study or any data on whats going on to our CNS or brain chemistry. These are 2 man made molecules, altered from nature, and historically this ends bad.

Truthfully? your looking at anywhere between 4-10 years of hardcore depression. For every month your on suboxone/subutex/buprenorphine your adding 1 month of mental withdrawals/depression. My medical doctor told me this, and from my own personal experience and others there seems no way out period. There is strong possibility of brain damaged already hence of depression which leads to suicide. I have already recently found out one person has taken their own life during suboxone withdrawals. He was 3 months clear off suboxone.

Naloxone makes no difference, subutex and suboxone 100% same.

I have never witnessed anybody stay clean after quitting sub (true for users who took sub for more then 3 years let alone 8 years).

It seems your taper proves it makes no difference to withdrawals and PAWS. Infact makes it worse, small doses are stronger then high doses because high doses you do not feel the affects, but the low doses your accumulating them.

Sorry to be blunt but honesty is best policy. What you are feeling now does not even compare to what you will feel down the line, this is not even the beginning.. Trust me on this.

No medications work for sub withdrawals, its PAWS and depression.

Sorry your going through this but what you are feeling now will only extend and increase, for the next 4 years "IF" your lucky, if not then 10 years, the buprenorphine sticks to the receptors, into fatty acids and muscles..

Lastly do not take sub for life, because it will destroy you, you will feel unmotivated, bored, depressed and even suicidal. You will lose interests and will destroy your liver FACT..So basically it's jail sentence being on subs and off them FACT!

Well thanks for the encouragement, jeez. I hope it doesn't take that long. I wouldn't be able to do it. Anybody know if anti-depressants can be effective when going through PAWS? In recent detox attempts I would of read this and gave up. I will keep chugging through. I've made it this far, farthest ever. I do believe the slow taper has helped. My acute withdrawal was way easier. I've never made it to PAW, so I don't know what it did for that. I'll keep updating my status, hopefully I can be the first to come clean and stay that way after 8 years.

No ADs dont help, because this is not some clinical depression or dopaine decreased because of anhthong else other then suboxone, this is endorphine depleted, ADs will only enhance the depression..


Sorry man but you fked up by staying on sub for 8 years.

Hi.....he was taking the Suboxone,Xanax,and drinking heavily......this is a toxic mixture. My opinion? The combination of the excessive drinking,Xanax,and taking Suboxone on top of all this? Is what 'may' have ended his life by suicide.Like I said.....it's the whole mixture of the drinking,Xanax,and the Suboxone. Too much for the mind to take. I'm deeply sorry for your loss. 

I just met somebody clean after 8 years of use. She is 7 months off and she says she is 90% back to complete recovery. Active steps need to be made to increase your endorphin production. Including diet...Lots of protein and amino acids, not as many carbs and sugars. 30mg Protein 3x a day. Exercise is second key. I can tell you from my own personal experience that I experience bliss for a day after putting my body to the test. I'm 72 days clean now, over the depression that your awful reply left me in, and looking forward to recovering. You really shouldn't be negative like that when people are in the state that you know of from personal experience. Music and mindset are another huge part of this. Music, especially positive sounding (I've been a death metal fan for 12 years, and cannot listen to it now... was a huge part in not getting stuck dwelling on BS, and actually lifts spirits when I need it too. Knowing there is hope, although you don't believe there is, I do, and that will make me the 10% who can do this.