Am sorry but 72 days is not even pre-withdrawals.. The real depression starts around 3 months granted.
How do you know this woman? you trust her? believe her? do you know how many people claim of being clean yet they aren?T they are indenial and kidding themselves. Unless she had a super endocrine system? I doubt it, only 0.01% of people do.
Yeah I know, the withdrawals won;t let up fpr a year, then you have to deal with PAWS/depression most probably for life. It screws up the receptors permanently, and damages brain chemistry, this is a FACTTTTTT!
You also can't stay on suboxone because you will feel like a zombie, bored, no emotions, disinterest, no motivation, no energy and become suicidle FACT! It also destroys the liver and causes permanent memory loss. Like someone said it's a death sentence.
I do believe that suboxone/subutex (buprenorphine is what I take) has changed me forever and not in a good way. My life is ruined and I search and search for answers but there aren't any. The only doctor that ever made sense to me is a doctor in Florida (Dr. Scanlan). I was lucky to talk to him on the phone. I am very near the point of taking my life also. I feel like I'm not even living (just watching everyone I love have fun and missing them all so very much). This is the worst torture ever. It will be 5 years this coming Thanksgiving and I do not want to go through the holidays like this ever again. I didn't go any where this past year. I would do anything to go back. I have 184 norco's (the strongest ones, that I had to pay $700.00 for) sitting in a bottle. I read somewhere that you could switch to your doc for 2 months and then only take the suboxone for 2 days (no more than 1 mg. a day). I've tried this before and by the 3rd day I feel so suicidal that I give in. I think we are all so different. There are so many people who believe this drug changed them in a good way and they are happy and leading normal lives. I'm tired of not being able to even have a few beers with my friends. Nothing works. I can not listen to music without crying because I just remember how much I loved it. I just can't feel it anymore. I'm tired of complaining to everyone. No one understands. This drug is impossible to come off of once you've reached a certain point. I was on it for 8 or 9 months and was able to just take a mg. away every 3-4 days and everything came back. It was like coming back from the dead. I cranked the music and had a few beers with my family. Since I knew how easy it was to get off of it I ended up back on it when my Dad got sick. I just couldn't bear the thought of losing him and I needed to help him. I do not blame my Dad at all for this. He didn't want me on this medication. I lost my Dad. It's been 3 years now. My family fell apart. My mother needs me so bad but I can not help her. I'm afraid she will die of a broken heart (and also from not eating well). Has anyone else experienced what I am going through? I'd love to talk to you or for any help. Thank you.
I had to post as a guest because I could not remember my password. Larsy1966 :)
I have been taking Suboxone for 4-5 years and I experiencing many of the issues I have read about on this site. The web site you posted was edited out. I wanted to see if you mind sending this to me. I am very concerned about the long term effects of taking Sub. Thanks! Sherri
Hi Sherri, My message was edited out? I wonder why? I was put on this medication by my psychiatrist 4 years ago for depression. I was not addicted to anything. It was wonderful for about 6 months but then I realized that I felt different. I felt like I couldn't experience much joy. I couldn't feel music and was unable to have a few beers without feeling lousy and some other things but since I was on it for 8 to 9 months and was able to get off of it very easily decided to go back on it when my dear father was very sick. I needed to be there for him and my mother and after he passed away (now it's been 3 years), I'm still on it. I've never taken more than 8 mgs. per day. I tried 12 mgs. per day because my psychiatrist told me that might help but ended up getting headaches which was also the reason I liked this medication. I'm stuck now and now have another problem that I can't seem to figure out. I feel like I may have an intestinal infection or parasites. I just can't live like this anymore. Today I felt very sick all day and still do not feel well. I did not go anywhere for Easter. I just don't know what to do anymore. Ever since last spring (after getting many bug bites) I started to get this weird brain fog and it's getting worse. I can barely think. I have to write everything down now. I'd love to talk to you! Sincerely, Larsy1966
Hi. I'm not sure what you are replying about but if it's what I think then you and I think the same. I've met so many young people in NA who claim to be clean but are on suboxone (and large doses also). I tried to warn a few of them but they do not listen. Hopefully they will not be like me and end up not being able to get off of it. If I'm right, I believe in about 5 years or so this will be a big deal. Right now people are being put on this medication and being told that it is not addictive and that you can get off of it when you feel you are ready but the truth is that I believe this drug was designed just for people who are hard core addicts to help them through the hardest part of their withdrawals. I'm not sure if the doctors are to blame because they are being told by whoever gives them the license to prescribe this medication that there are no side effects to long term use. The best information I ran across was by a doctor himself. His name is Dr. Steven Scanlon or Scanlan. He was addicted to fentanyl and he used suboxone to get off of the fentanyl. He said that after 2 weeks of taking the suboxone he noticed something very strange and he felt himself becoming addicted to the suboxone. He decided himself it was time to get off of it. He is in Florida and he treats or specializes in addiction. He uses suboxone but never long term. I was able to talk to him on the phone and he said he couldn't take me as his patient because he only does out patient therapy and I'd need to live in Florida. He referred me to Passages in Ca. I believe. Passages also takes patients addicted to suboxone/subutex/buprenorphine. The problem with going there is that detoxing from suboxone takes so very long, you'd need to be there for a year. I don't know what to do. I just know I can't seem to find anyone here who will not treat me different than a vicodin addict and in my opinion that is a totally different ball game. I was in the hospital with a woman who was taking at least 50 Norco's a day. She was such a nice woman and I wish I could get a hold of her now but I've called and sent her emails and haven't heard back from her. Her detox was not easy but to me it looked so much easier than mine. She had a terrible time with restless leg syndrome (which they gave her gabapentin for and also clonodine). She never took suboxone. I do not think she was ever even asked if she wanted it, but I'm glad she didn't. She was eating and talking to people during the day and I couldn't even get out of my bed. One night I tried so hard to go and watch a program on tv that her and I both liked and she got the nurse for me one time and I got in trouble for asking her for help so on this night I told her not to help me (even though she insisted). Well, do you know what happened? I walked to the nurses station and was standing there trying to get some water or gatorade and all I remember was that I was holding on to the shelf around the nurses station one minute and on the floor the next. How scary! I never passed out in my life before that. It's such a strange feeling. It took me a little while to get over that. I would keep thinking I might pass out, lol I still think about it every once in awhile, lol Anyway, there's more about that feeling but I don't want to make this too long. In the end, she was able to walk out of there days before I was (and I got there the same day as she did) and she seemed great. When I went home (a few days after that, and also being in a wheel chair and a new room right next to the nurses station), I could barely stand how sick I still was. The doctor told me everyday I will feel a little bit better. Well, after 5 days of being home and my family (who I do not blame at all for) telling me I had to go here and there and couldn't miss a holiday, etc. I just ended up taking a suboxone I found from before I went in the hospital. I tried not to take one everyday but it turned into that and here I am now at 4 mgs. per day (2 mgs. in the morning and 2 in the late afternoon) and paid $11,000.00 to the hospital for nothing. I'd love to hear from you or anyone who would like to talk to me. Sincerely, Larsy1966
Hi...this is my very first time using this site,or any site regarding the use of Suboxone. I too have been taking this medications for opiate addiction. Well,for quite some time I've felt less interested in the thins I once loved to do.I also feel somewhat numb on the inside.You mentioned that you're now down to 2mg's of Suboxone? I truly believe that if you slowly continue to taper down? That you will be able to come completely off this c**p/Suboxone. I myself have been struggling whether to stop taking it (on it for almost 5 years,and I fairly high dose at 16mg's). I honestly believe that anyone who's been taking Suboxone for any reason? Is addicted because it is a Scheduled ll controlled substance. Larsy1966? I honestly think you're doing the right thing by slowly...and I mean slowly tapering off your Suboxone? You'll 1 day very soon be able to finally say "Goodbye" to this medication. Take things 1 day at a time....when you start to feel depressed? Try doing something other than turning to your Suboxone for relief....you'll end up right back to where you were before you started(your taper).And you clearly don't want that.So,the next time you start feeling depressed? Find something/anything to occupy your mind/depressed thoughts.You're so close to be done with this drug(Suboxone)...down to 2mg's is an awesome place to be when coming off this specific medication. I myself am still struggling whether to speak with my prescribed/psychiatrist in regards to starting a slow taper.My issue is fear...nothing but fear. It's a mental battle many have to deal with.But it is a battle that CAN be won. Keep up the good work,and try to occupy your mind/thoughts when those depressing thoughts come about. That's the best advice I can possibly offer to you given your story.I wish you all the very best Larsy1966. Take care!!
Just for clerification, suboxone, as all other products containing buprenorphine for pain or the treatment of opioid dependence are actually schedule III narcotics as opposed to methadone which is schedule II and more restrictive as seen in ORT clinic settings. Also, there is a difference between 'addiction' and dependence. The DSM-IV actually does not mention addiction but only opioid dependence and abuse. The DSM aknowledges replacement therapy as a means of putting addiction into full sustained remission at two years.
The damage has been done. I am 5 months off suboxone and am getting worse, I almost conteplnented suicide, I still might do, there is no way out. I just realized sub can affect your receptors to the point of never ever re-producing new ones. I think we are messed up for life. I know 2 people who took their own life because of suboxone and subutex depression coming off..NOBODY has ever made it clean off suboxone EVER.. Its a prison sentence except you wish you was on death row tomorrow and want it to end. Its NEVER going to get better but WORSE. I promise you the damage has been done, so now all we have to do is warn newbies to get off and not touch suboxone...I cant live my life like this man, I weaned down to tiny little crumbs yet 5 months out am sufeering badly, I was only on 1mgs for 15 months, this is drug is EVIL EVIL EVIL..For God sake I am 22 years old, very health and in shape and never ever had depression issues yet am thinking of taking my own life...I cant imagaine how it is for the older folks who been on sub longer then 1 year, I fear for those as well as myself.
I have been on subs over 4 years now and starting to feel more depressed and anxious. It is very difficult to go to work and I am tired all the time. I have been searching for the long term effects because something is not right and I feel it is getting worse. I do take an anti-depressant also. I feel there is no better drug to get off opioids but I also feel subs were not intended to be used indefinitely. I hope I can slowly get off the subs.
I would first like to tell you how sorry I am for your husbands death. I believe the reality is this though, he was an addict and as addicts do sometimes he relapsed. He should have been by no means on xanax along with subs.He made have stopped the subs and started selling them, no one will know but him. Suboxone is primarialy used to help wein people off opiates, they are finding other uses as well, but I don't believe it should be used long term. I pray for you and yurs, God bless, and don't blame an addict for what an addict does: use. Find forgiveness in your heart one day so you can move on and and eventually, you will accept his death.