I love that quote from corinthians , that one esp in our situation. Day 14 here and doing great! Barely any symptoms left to deal with, and a modest energy level. And agree completely with the poster above. Although my brain receptors, now not being "occupied" with suboxone, are starting to crave getting high. So yeah stay away from the thinking that now you have control and can be a "now and then" user! Even from where I sit I know if it was in my face I wouldn't have the ___________ to resist it. So I thank the Lord I don't have any connections or any stashes or anything like that to tempt me. ! Have faith in yourself and God that you can live without it, get into something else. Like exercise! Anything. But drugs. (of course)
I have been an addict for 34 years and have done every drug under the sun. However, narcotics are my drug of choice. I am also a prolific reader mainly medically related issues. I also work in surgery so I have to be well informed on many topics including drugs.
Nota' Bene': Yes there are many "practicing addicts in the medical community"
For those of you that are confused about half life terms it's quite simple. Think of it in these terms. On day one you have a full glass of water. (In essence this would be your first day of detox) drink half of it, what do you have left? A half glass of water, right?
Day 2 drink half of the remaining half from day one. What are you left with? A quarter glass, right?
Day 3 drink half of the quarter that was left from day 2 and now you are left with an eighth of glass of water.
Day 4 drink half again and your left with a 16th glass of water.
Day 5 drink another half of the 16th and your left with 1/32 glass of water. Think of your body as the glass and the suboxone/drugs as the water and your body ridding itself of the suboxone/drugs. I think you get my drift and I'll leave it at that. Not to hard to figure out that half life's can be very long. Suboxone has a very high binding affinity to Mu and alpha receptors. thus, the long withdrawal period. A little more interesting info for the reading junkies.
Pain specialists who treat pain patients are frequently consulted about narcotic management issues. The generally accepted therapy for narcotic addiction involves cognitive-based therapy, such as Alcoholics Anonymous, Narcotics Anonymous, private meetings, etc. However, these patients experience extreme craving for narcotics, and medication use has evolved to help these patients pharmacologically while they strive to overcome their addiction.
One such drug used in the treatment of narcotic addiction is buprenorphine hydrochloride/naloxone hydrochloride dihydrate (Suboxone), and it has profound implications for patients undergoing anesthesia and operative intervention. This medication is a sublingual tablet used to treat opiate addictions. The naloxone component of the tablet is not bioavailable sublingually. Buprenorphine is in the class of narcotic agonist/antagonists. The medicine works by binding to opiate receptors to provide a modest level of analgesia. However, Suboxone exhibits a 'peak ceiling effect' leveling its analgesic and side effect profile. Since buprenorphine has a very high affinity for the opiate receptor, other narcotics will have decreased receptor binding.
Traditional narcotics given at standard doses intraoperatively will have decreased analgesic effects on patients taking Suboxone. Unfortunately, many perioperative caregivers aren’t familiar with the treatment of narcotic-addiction patients. The key to appropriate treatment of acute pain (including perioperative) in the patient on Suboxone lies in educating medical providers on its pharmacology and supplying some general guidelines on its perioperative uses.
A Simple Explanation about Suboxone
Imagine a ladder with ten steps. Step 0 is a patient who has no narcotics in the system. Step 10 is a patient on very high doses of narcotics. When patients with a narcotic addiction (sitting on Step 7 of the ladder) let their narcotic levels fall, they begin to experience withdrawal once they fall below Step 3. This withdrawal syndrome is profound and includes profuse sweating, cramps, diarrhea, agitation, and mood changes. Narcotic-addicted patients who fall below Step 3 of this ladder describe withdrawal symptoms as 'unbearable.'
Upon taking buprenorphine/naloxone, the patient achieves a balance between withdrawal syndrome and narcotic craving—essentially, the patient is on Step 3. If someone who is on Step 7 or higher of this ladder takes Suboxone, that person will instantly 'plummet' to Step 3. This rapid fall will induce the typical withdrawal syndrome. Therefore, patients, when first starting Suboxone, must wait until they begin to experience withdrawal, and then they can take Suboxone to raise them to Step 3.
Recall also that Suboxone has a very high affinity for the opiate receptor (think, Suboxone does not want to be pushed off of Step 3). Therefore, if an addiction patient takes hydrocodone/acetaminophen it will typically have little or no pharmacologic effect because Suboxone holds the patient at Step 3.
Can addiction patients on Suboxone overdose on narcotics? They certainly can if they take a high dose of a narcotic. Suboxone has a high affinity for the mu opiate receptor, but it can be displaced by high dose narcotics. The typical dose of Suboxone is between one and three tablets daily. The drug has a peak ceiling effect, meaning that if the patient takes more than three pills daily, he or she will not go higher on the ladder than Step 3. This ceiling effect is one of the great advantages of Suboxone, which deters its potential for abuse.
Suboxone will provide some analgesia (Step 3, remember), but its primary indication is for the treatment of narcotic addiction. If used inappropriately, such as dissolving and injecting it, the naloxone becomes bioavailable and the patient will go immediately to Step 0 on the ladder.
There is not a best practice model for the perioperative care of patients on Suboxone. Patient care should be individualized, but some general statements apply to most of these patients who often also have increased tolerance to narcotic medications. Careful titration of perioperative narcotics with appropriate monitoring for significant side effects remains the mainstay of treatment.
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Nota' Bene': Yes there are many "practicing addicts in the medical community"
For those of you that are confused about half life terms it's quite simple. Think of it in these terms. On day one you have a full glass of water. (In essence this would be your first day of detox) drink half of it, what do you have left? A half glass of water, right?
Day 2 drink half of the remaining half from day one. What are you left with? A quarter glass, right?
Day 3 drink half of the quarter that was left from day 2 and now you are left with an eighth of glass of water.
Day 4 drink half again and your left with a 16th glass of water.
Day 5 drink another half of the 16th and your left with 1/32 glass of water. Think of your body as the glass and the suboxone/drugs as the water and your body ridding itself of the suboxone/drugs. I think you get my drift and I'll leave it at that. Not to hard to figure out that half life's can be very long. Suboxone has a very high binding affinity to Mu and alpha receptors. thus, the long withdrawal period. A little more interesting info for the reading junkies.
Pain specialists who treat pain patients are frequently consulted about narcotic management issues. The generally accepted therapy for narcotic addiction involves cognitive-based therapy, such as Alcoholics Anonymous, Narcotics Anonymous, private meetings, etc. However, these patients experience extreme craving for narcotics, and medication use has evolved to help these patients pharmacologically while they strive to overcome their addiction.
One such drug used in the treatment of narcotic addiction is buprenorphine hydrochloride/naloxone hydrochloride dihydrate (Suboxone), and it has profound implications for patients undergoing anesthesia and operative intervention. This medication is a sublingual tablet used to treat opiate addictions. The naloxone component of the tablet is not bioavailable sublingually. Buprenorphine is in the class of narcotic agonist/antagonists. The medicine works by binding to opiate receptors to provide a modest level of analgesia. However, Suboxone exhibits a 'peak ceiling effect' leveling its analgesic and side effect profile. Since buprenorphine has a very high affinity for the opiate receptor, other narcotics will have decreased receptor binding.
Traditional narcotics given at standard doses intraoperatively will have decreased analgesic effects on patients taking Suboxone. Unfortunately, many perioperative caregivers aren’t familiar with the treatment of narcotic-addiction patients. The key to appropriate treatment of acute pain (including perioperative) in the patient on Suboxone lies in educating medical providers on its pharmacology and supplying some general guidelines on its perioperative uses.
A Simple Explanation about Suboxone
Imagine a ladder with ten steps. Step 0 is a patient who has no narcotics in the system. Step 10 is a patient on very high doses of narcotics. When patients with a narcotic addiction (sitting on Step 7 of the ladder) let their narcotic levels fall, they begin to experience withdrawal once they fall below Step 3. This withdrawal syndrome is profound and includes profuse sweating, cramps, diarrhea, agitation, and mood changes. Narcotic-addicted patients who fall below Step 3 of this ladder describe withdrawal symptoms as 'unbearable.'
Upon taking buprenorphine/naloxone, the patient achieves a balance between withdrawal syndrome and narcotic craving—essentially, the patient is on Step 3. If someone who is on Step 7 or higher of this ladder takes Suboxone, that person will instantly 'plummet' to Step 3. This rapid fall will induce the typical withdrawal syndrome. Therefore, patients, when first starting Suboxone, must wait until they begin to experience withdrawal, and then they can take Suboxone to raise them to Step 3.
Recall also that Suboxone has a very high affinity for the opiate receptor (think, Suboxone does not want to be pushed off of Step 3). Therefore, if an addiction patient takes hydrocodone/acetaminophen it will typically have little or no pharmacologic effect because Suboxone holds the patient at Step 3.
Can addiction patients on Suboxone overdose on narcotics? They certainly can if they take a high dose of a narcotic. Suboxone has a high affinity for the mu opiate receptor, but it can be displaced by high dose narcotics. The typical dose of Suboxone is between one and three tablets daily. The drug has a peak ceiling effect, meaning that if the patient takes more than three pills daily, he or she will not go higher on the ladder than Step 3. This ceiling effect is one of the great advantages of Suboxone, which deters its potential for abuse.
Suboxone will provide some analgesia (Step 3, remember), but its primary indication is for the treatment of narcotic addiction. If used inappropriately, such as dissolving and injecting it, the naloxone becomes bioavailable and the patient will go immediately to Step 0 on the ladder.
There is not a best practice model for the perioperative care of patients on Suboxone. Patient care should be individualized, but some general statements apply to most of these patients who often also have increased tolerance to narcotic medications. Careful titration of perioperative narcotics with appropriate monitoring for significant side effects remains the mainstay of treatment.
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ive been using subs 4 about6-7months now.and i do them iv.im not prescribed them,i just buy them off friends.i want off theses now!im sick of how expensive they are,($15-$20)ive been reading the withdraws last a good while,and im worried i wont be able to go to work.i take about less than half a 8mg pill a day.i inject it about 3-4times a day in small amounts,equaling about 3-4millagrams a day,not much.do u think it will be possible to work when i quit taking these?and what would be the best way 4 me to quit so ill be able to function for my job?
I just want to post a bit of hope after reading page after page after page of depressing stories of people who have experienced such bad withdrawal symptoms from Suboxone. I have been doing opiates for over 7 years now, been on one form or another every single day in that time (except for a few days of withdrawal here and there). I started with percs, moved to OC in high doses, and then eventually realized I had a problem and got off OC and onto Suboxone. I was on Subs without any problems for a year and a half and then when it was time to get off I got off and immediately went back to using dilaudid and OC, and eventually H thinking that I could be a casual user. This ended up with me becoming a HEAVY heroin user (started with insuff and moved to IV). Did this for about 5 or 6 months and it just got too unmanageable. I decided to get off H and get back on Subs. I found a Sub doc near me but he couldn't see me for 3 days. I had to go through 3 full days and nights of heroin withdrawal before I got back on Subs, and let me tell you, I'd rather die than go through that again. It was AWFUL. Absolutely the worst possible thing I've ever experienced. My symptoms ran the gamut, including achy(!!!) legs and arms, vomiting, diarrhea, and everything inbetween. Terrible. I felt like I was going to die and I really wanted to. So, I got back on Subs finally, and stayed on for 10-11 months (tapering from 16mgs a day to 2) and it was time to come off. I realized my mistake last time so I took precautions this time. I informed my parents and friends that I was getting off and I needed help to make sure I didn't go out and relapse. Well, it's day 5 now in withdrawal and I can tell you that (for me) it's NOWHERE near as bad as H withdrawal, and it's certainly manageable. Sure, it sucks but it's not like I can't deal with it. Again it's not even 1/100th of as bad as H withdrawal is and just knowing that makes me confident I can beat it. The WD symptoms come in waves too, and half the day I feel alright and half I feel less than decent. But just feel lucky if you get to go through Sub WD instead of your DOC, as other opiates are MUCH more difficult to go through their WDs. I can sleep fine after tossing and turning for about 30 minutes, and I wake up probably 2-3 times a night but generally fall back asleep within 15 minutes. My guess is that some people on here have never experienced a really bad opiate withdrawal(and I'm sure some of you have) so they weren't prepared for Sub WD. Just try to stay positive and ALWAYS think that's its not as bad as you're making it out to be(at least that helps me). I really hope this story helps people overcome their withdrawal and I hope that I did not offend anyone when I made some pretty brash assumptions. Good luck and stay clean, you can do it!
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After reading the previous entries, I feel compeled to share my stiory. If this might help one foolish soul or provide that last little bit of faith its taking me right now not to give in to the monkey on my back. I started sub approx 1 year ago 8mg pill in the morning and 8mgs in the evening. This dose is too much for the worst of users. I don't care how many oxy, roxies, or bags of herion you bang, sniff, or otherwise absorb into your bloodstream. A half in the morning and evening will fix wds. If you need something else, its in your head and you need to get into a program, AA or NA or whatever. Skipping all the rest, I weaned myself from 2 8mg pills down to .5 2mg pill (1mg) before I hopped off the moving train. If you think the train isn't really going fast when you decdie to jump off, wrong. The landing has been awful. Here are the facts:
6 to 7 days of pure hell - no hanging over the toliet, but I almost wish had I was the entire time. I was eating 2mg of xanax and drinking almost a liter of vodka a day. smoking weed to cope, clonidine (highly reckomended). It did very little... All the symptoms were mentioned by other bloggers. Its your own personal hell, your mind will obsess over life's biggest regrets or whatever painful memory you are trying to forget. It fells like it will never end. This stage ended for me, I think early morning of the 7th day (might be off 24 hrs either way). I remember the exact moment when I was able laugh from a thougnt produced inside my own mind. I was so pumped I thought i was done...
Day 8 went to the doc- Told him I detoxed, filled him in on the details and he took my blood pressure (160/ 110) pulse 78. My blood pressure is usually around 110 / 80. This was extremly high for me. Still had light tremors, but was so happy couldn't care less.
3 Days Pass - Pretty much ok
Around Day 12 or 13 I began to get tremors pretty bad and that completely stressed out feeling. I went out that night and got drunk as hell thinking when morning came I would be ok. WRONG. After about 3 hours wide awake like day three. Started drinking heavily. I absoutley was in complete shock, thinking maybe its all the alcohol I'd been drinking causing this... So wrong, nothing helped. I cracked and took 2 perc 7.5 and 30min later was out like a baby and slept until early the next morning as they started to wear off. Right back into withdrwals. The 2nd week has been strage in that it almost comes in waves. At times I will catch myself laughing at the TV and other times I'm back to absoulute agony. I think not counting the 2 percs its, 14 days. That is where I currently am, I feel like a totaly pile, but will say it comes in waves, weird. As bad as this is, I got a 4 day break of pure bliss that reminded me what its like to get though. I will hang on and urge anyone else to as well. After day 5 the clock starts ticking again. You can function but the bigboned, tight skin feeling came back and grabbed me like an episode of the twlight zone. I still can't belive it. Once you start getting the symptons in waves can are almost done, and you get some rest time. It is doable.
6 to 7 days of pure hell - no hanging over the toliet, but I almost wish had I was the entire time. I was eating 2mg of xanax and drinking almost a liter of vodka a day. smoking weed to cope, clonidine (highly reckomended). It did very little... All the symptoms were mentioned by other bloggers. Its your own personal hell, your mind will obsess over life's biggest regrets or whatever painful memory you are trying to forget. It fells like it will never end. This stage ended for me, I think early morning of the 7th day (might be off 24 hrs either way). I remember the exact moment when I was able laugh from a thougnt produced inside my own mind. I was so pumped I thought i was done...
Day 8 went to the doc- Told him I detoxed, filled him in on the details and he took my blood pressure (160/ 110) pulse 78. My blood pressure is usually around 110 / 80. This was extremly high for me. Still had light tremors, but was so happy couldn't care less.
3 Days Pass - Pretty much ok
Around Day 12 or 13 I began to get tremors pretty bad and that completely stressed out feeling. I went out that night and got drunk as hell thinking when morning came I would be ok. WRONG. After about 3 hours wide awake like day three. Started drinking heavily. I absoutley was in complete shock, thinking maybe its all the alcohol I'd been drinking causing this... So wrong, nothing helped. I cracked and took 2 perc 7.5 and 30min later was out like a baby and slept until early the next morning as they started to wear off. Right back into withdrwals. The 2nd week has been strage in that it almost comes in waves. At times I will catch myself laughing at the TV and other times I'm back to absoulute agony. I think not counting the 2 percs its, 14 days. That is where I currently am, I feel like a totaly pile, but will say it comes in waves, weird. As bad as this is, I got a 4 day break of pure bliss that reminded me what its like to get though. I will hang on and urge anyone else to as well. After day 5 the clock starts ticking again. You can function but the bigboned, tight skin feeling came back and grabbed me like an episode of the twlight zone. I still can't belive it. Once you start getting the symptons in waves can are almost done, and you get some rest time. It is doable.
I guess I must just be one of the lucky ones here...
I started taking Vicodin about 8 years ago and loved it. Then later switched to Oxycontin and that was when I realized what dependence was. I started with snorting 20mg a day and before I knew it was snorting 5 80mg tablets a day and eating 12-16 30mg Oxycodone tabs a day.
Last January my Doc cut me off the Oxycodone tabs and Oxycodontin. Immediately I was in a personal hell. I would much rather had death come take me then to ever feel that way again.
It took me 2 months to get in to see the Suboxone Dr. In the meantime I would take handfuls of Lortab or anything else I could find. Then came the day I saw the Suboxone Dr. He told me not to start the Subs til I was in mild WD so I waited til the next morning to start the Suboxone. I started out with 2 8mg tabs a day. Then I doubled that on my own and my Dr started prescribing me 4 a day. About 2 months ago I was taking 8 8mg tabs a day and that continued until last week when I decided enough was enough. I realized I had just traded 1 drug for another but was going to end up abusing anything I get in the long run. I decided to stop the madness.
4 days ago I took my last 8mg tab of Suboxone. 2 days ago I was feeling dragged down and beaten all day. A little like when I was cut from the Oxys but minus the extreme depression, creepy crawly skin, chills, runny nose, and general wish for death. I felt bad but it was bearable. Then yesterday I woke up and felt a little better but by the end of the day I was beat. I was feeling a little depressed but not so much I couldn't smile. No today on day 3 I am feeling like a million dollars. I can tell that it's still holding on but I don't feel tired or irritated. I feel like I remember feeling on an average day way back before I started this trip to hell 8 years ago or so.
Maybe the worse is yet to come but I am very doubtful of that at this point. I have been improving every day and now feel that I may have finally managed to break the bonds of opiates. I can't remember how I got so smothered by opiate addiction but I do remember that the last 8 years and especially the last 5 or so have been the worst in my life and I am looking forward to the next 8 years being heaven in comparison.
I started taking Vicodin about 8 years ago and loved it. Then later switched to Oxycontin and that was when I realized what dependence was. I started with snorting 20mg a day and before I knew it was snorting 5 80mg tablets a day and eating 12-16 30mg Oxycodone tabs a day.
Last January my Doc cut me off the Oxycodone tabs and Oxycodontin. Immediately I was in a personal hell. I would much rather had death come take me then to ever feel that way again.
It took me 2 months to get in to see the Suboxone Dr. In the meantime I would take handfuls of Lortab or anything else I could find. Then came the day I saw the Suboxone Dr. He told me not to start the Subs til I was in mild WD so I waited til the next morning to start the Suboxone. I started out with 2 8mg tabs a day. Then I doubled that on my own and my Dr started prescribing me 4 a day. About 2 months ago I was taking 8 8mg tabs a day and that continued until last week when I decided enough was enough. I realized I had just traded 1 drug for another but was going to end up abusing anything I get in the long run. I decided to stop the madness.
4 days ago I took my last 8mg tab of Suboxone. 2 days ago I was feeling dragged down and beaten all day. A little like when I was cut from the Oxys but minus the extreme depression, creepy crawly skin, chills, runny nose, and general wish for death. I felt bad but it was bearable. Then yesterday I woke up and felt a little better but by the end of the day I was beat. I was feeling a little depressed but not so much I couldn't smile. No today on day 3 I am feeling like a million dollars. I can tell that it's still holding on but I don't feel tired or irritated. I feel like I remember feeling on an average day way back before I started this trip to hell 8 years ago or so.
Maybe the worse is yet to come but I am very doubtful of that at this point. I have been improving every day and now feel that I may have finally managed to break the bonds of opiates. I can't remember how I got so smothered by opiate addiction but I do remember that the last 8 years and especially the last 5 or so have been the worst in my life and I am looking forward to the next 8 years being heaven in comparison.
for the guy who said subs messed up his vision, that was probably oxys, which do that, not the subs, which don't. I stopped taking suboxens about 2 months ago, dealt with hard withdrawals for the first week or so, then less and less everyday thereafter.. Now, 2 months later, after feeling great, no withrawals, i feel a little off today. They can come and go for up to about 6 months.. But the worst part is definitely the first 5 days.. Get through that and your on your way to clean.. :-)
I am on day 4 of no methadone, and I quit at 3 mg, sounds exactly like the suboxone thing, remember, the more years you have been on real opioids, methadone or suboxone combined will affect your withdrawal, plus your age is a factor, I am 54 and I am sure if I was 20 again it would probably be much, easier
feeling good half the day then feeling lousy later in the day is normal, everyday I get up and think it's over but by afternoon it's a different story,
and yes symptoms can reappear briefly at a later time, but keep in mind ONLY through drug abstinence can the brain repair itself, so no using
(opiates), is the main thing, if you like to smoke hash go right ahead if it helps you, just don't give up, I'm in my 4th day of withdrawal from 3
mg methadone and this will be my first time clean in 5 years after discovering opiates for the first time at age 50. The first 4 years as an Oxy
addict and the last year on methadone. I can't wait to be straight again, I heard it feels like a revelation, like a rebirth, everyday I get up sick
(but happy) knowing that I am one more day closer to feeling good again, can't wait, good luck to you all
and yes symptoms can reappear briefly at a later time, but keep in mind ONLY through drug abstinence can the brain repair itself, so no using
(opiates), is the main thing, if you like to smoke hash go right ahead if it helps you, just don't give up, I'm in my 4th day of withdrawal from 3
mg methadone and this will be my first time clean in 5 years after discovering opiates for the first time at age 50. The first 4 years as an Oxy
addict and the last year on methadone. I can't wait to be straight again, I heard it feels like a revelation, like a rebirth, everyday I get up sick
(but happy) knowing that I am one more day closer to feeling good again, can't wait, good luck to you all
Hi Willburst, dude, I don't think you did your situation any good with all the drinking, a liter of vodka is an extreme amount of alcohol, I feel it
might have made the situation worse?? I feel for you, Willburst, do you know why the blood pressure goes up when you get off the stuff ??
might have made the situation worse?? I feel for you, Willburst, do you know why the blood pressure goes up when you get off the stuff ??
I totally agree with weglarz when you say it comes in waves. I had a 4 year 200mg roxi problem and somehow made 20 sub last 5 weeks. I did suffer those 5 weeks but it was minimal compared to quitting cold turkey. Actually, I'm still suffering a little after 2 weeks off them. The chills, and stomach cramps were the worst. I just took xanax for the RLS and insomnia. I cringe when I read about people being on suboxene for more then a year. Those withdrawals must be horrible. If you can manage to get a few suboxene you're good to go. They defeat the major withdrawals, then its all about willpower. Something everybody has and can use better then the next. How bad do you want it? When I look at my friends that are addicts (as i was), thats my motivation. I know that sounds sad, but it is what it is and I keep to myself on how I judge them. When I see them feeling like sh*t, then calling pill boy up and spending there last dollars it gives me the motivation to stay clean. So sad, but the mindset you gotta have. You're better then them. Just don't be vocal about it. Chances are, 90 percent of your friends are addicts if you are (were), so you can't just cut them all out of your life, use it to your advantage.
Looks like that ******* (kidding) didn't respond. Oh well, let me answer his question anyway. If you weened down low then you won't have to worry TOO MUCH about withdrawal (below .25 mg), but it's still going to suck either way you approach it. I have been on suboxone for almost 2 years and I can tell you after trying to come off of 6 mg a day (sniffing it) habit for 5 months I didn't sleep for 2 weeks and had these horrible introspective depressive episodes where I felt like I was dying or losing my mind, not sure which one, and of course the wonderful feeling of being a human piece of garbage with no energy, chills, diahrea, whole body shaking, legs kicking to get comfortable, all that beautiful sh*t. Anyway, I made it those two weeks but it wasn't letting up, it just felt like it was getting worse every day. So I went back on it, and now I just dropped down to .25 mg from .5 mg. I have been tapering for a good 6 months. I hate every bit of being a slave to something so mindless. That's it though. Now I'm ready to suffer hardcore if I must. Hopefully it is a lot easier this time since I am coming off of .25mg or less... It should be shouldn't it? Good luck. Oh and this is something everyone should read: You will pay the ultimate price for taking a bite of the apple like Eve did. It may happen down the road or it may happen soon. Your choice. You're prolonging your suffering, and every day you take an opiate or opioid (doesn't matter if it's suboxone or methadone or whatever) you are suppressing your human emotions and it ends up backfiring down the road. You have to understand that the body is not meant to have drugs put into it constantly, it weakens you.
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hey guys gonna be up front here we all have no one to blame for our drug problems but us and I was a heroin addict usuing well over 2 bundles a day and wen I decided to get clean I went to a sub doc got 3 8 mgs a day the whole drawn out deal and wen it comes rite down to it no matter how slow you taper you STILL have to stop at some point and the only true way to do that is to cold turkey it cuz like I realized 3 yrs ago wen I flushed my last 5 subs is that ur body is a vessel and what you did to it takes time and a lot of it to recover from do you no wen you take an opioid of any kind for more than 60 days ur body stops producing endorphins becuz of the drugs high volume of them n wen you quit it takes time for ur body to produce them again hence withdrawals hang tough there's lite at the end of the tunnel
Im on day 12 off subs except i thoughyt id celebrate by doing 4 vic 10/325s and it kicked me right back into withdrawal. the physical part is cake compared to the mental. im interested in nothing and im depressed anyways so its like im living in hell. i started 40 mg of prozac the same day i stopped the subs. does anyone know how long this feeling of very bad depression willl last? I feeel so bad i tried killing myself the other night but luckily i was saved by a friend calling ambulence. i think i mite try it again if it lasts too long i cant stand it. does anybody know how long this depression will last or have any suggestions?