Subutex, Suboxone, and Opiate Withdrawal. Practical Advice on How To Make it Through!

Dear Guest S,
I was genuinely moved by your situation, esp. with text freezing; you must feel so isolated. As far as the text, try cleaning out your "cookies". Go to your computer's help to find procedure. It is very easy. Also, clear off desktop ( put into documents. If this doesn't help, try purchase higher speed if you are on cable. If none of this works, u may can buy extra RAM or something like that. Call one of the big computer stores repair departments.
If you still need someone to chat with,I'll try to respond if you email me

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 Hang in there, life is very hard sometimes but it is all we have. So far the pain of mine does not outweigh the goodness of it.

5/26/2013 Response to FINALLY DONE, 9 months ago, on steady health.com (opiate withdrawal)

Dear R,
You are positively the most knowledgeable, articulate and caring person, I have ever read regarding withdrawal. I first read you via a post you made 9 months ago, that was necessarily long, and oh so 'RIGHT ON'. I responded how impressed I was with your story, plan and writing. However, after reading this post, I have to respond again and recognize what a sympathetic human being that you are, too. You embrace a rare combination: articulation, passion and compassion, YOU SHOULD WRITE A BOOK!

Very few people even awarethis other hidden world of legitimate, prescription drugs, addiction and withdrawal. Most people just relate any addiction to a “junkie” therefore in no need of understanding or help. However, your book and related communications will inform more people about this relatively new hidden world of “involuntary” addiction, and all of us dealing with this alone, might have the help of friends, family, professional research, informed doctors, etc. If, the general public were informed and thus forewarned, less would slid from the “god-doctor’s “ script pad into out of control addiction and loss of life as they knew it. This enlightenment must definitely include the much advertised, seemingly inexhaustible new uses, names and “diseases” of the latest realm of addiction/withdrawal hell of all anti-depressants, starting with Prozac. Additionally, as important as these goals are, the stigma, of “involuntary” addiction will be ameliorated, somewhat.

From what I read/see, "normal" people addicted by their doctors after legitimate medical problems, are dying enough for the handling procedures and/or the classification of opiates to be changed! (CNN with Dr Somaj Gupta-(spelling?) just had a special on it.)
This area of addiction by mistake, by doctor, through ignorance, etc., calls out for illumination. People AND doctors will be forewarned. (I became addicted to Tramadol via my diabetes doctor.) Surely, some more effective help plans will evolve. You could illicit many forum contributors to be part of the cause, anonymously, if necessary; obviously, they all want to communicate. For example, I read a well-written, impressive post from a high-level CEO who had a great plan and executed it, all alone. However, he was very explicit about how important it was that absolutely no one knew.
I am sure your book would sell well, which would provoke advertisement, a book tour, then a follow-up book, possibly some seminars, links with medical and educational communities, a Ted Talk. At the very least, I am sure you could submit articles in magazines, like The Atlantic, newspapers, the online community, blogs, social media, etc. You have the authenticity, ability, seemingly the passion and/or interest, thus the long post, and just think of how many people you could help!
Please, consider it. If, you want to talk it over, more ideas, help or encouragement, please write to me.
Sincerely,

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Methadone saved my life. Being addicted to opiates for 10 years, methadone was the only way out. It rescued me from those awful drugs like heroin and oxycontin. They were the worst drugs, not methadone! This great high you are talking about is something I never experienced with methadone. Were you really even on it or is this some fantasy of yours? The things you are saying just don't add up.

Hello everyone. I just wanted to give an update. I am over a year suboxone and opiate free. I had my baby on sept. I am a recovering addict and everyday gets easier but it does not mean im cured. I have the urges every now and then but it only crosses my mind for a few seconds. I am stillr recovering from the damage ive done. Anyway just wanted to gove those hope that it is possible and it can be done.

Tramadol is one of those 'agonist/antagonist' opiates that have some properties of opiates but not all, supposedly not as addictive as traditional opiates(codeine,morphine,oxy's,hydrocodone,norco,etc)It is one of the non controlled opiates like Nubain. You need a regular Rx in the US to get it, but it's sold freely online and most of those internet pharmacies.Some people have been successful using it as an opiate substitute for a short period of time, then detox completely. I suggest you do lots of research online before going down that road. Take care, Rodney

Hello im cory im just seeing if any one needs help Ive been threw this a few times and im trying it agian so maybe we can help each other with our demons! let me kno

Finally done, as you have been on methadone, so have I for year 31 now. You are right about being careful giving out advice to people because everyone is different. Methadone is not the perfect solution for everyone. For some , it saved their lives, myself included. I simply have not been able to do without it in order to have a worthwhile life. It has , however, given me something I can live with comfortably. I mean, what is the point of living a drugfree lifestyle if you are obsessed with cravings constantly. Its just too much. Anyway, good luck to ya and thanks for your comments. RR

thanks for taking the time to describe your experience, i have a similar route to climb and also have decided to enjoy it all myself and not share with family and friends so it was a comfort to read someone else in that situation. really hope you are still progressing , i enjoy job satisfaction and im not keen on that aspect of being unsure about the abilityof my thinking muscle when im rattling. i recently had an important afternoon due at work and had no regrets about going back up for the one occasion. so thanks again for your post, if i can offer any tips in return i would say that i value the help of meditation , for me its a bit like getting in the ring with the fkr (as you would say the monkey). good luck and the joy

Screw it I'll share my experience. I was originally on however many hydros a day and at some point had enough. Contacted a Suboxone doctor, was put on two 8mg pills a day, and stayed there for about two years. There was a switch to Subutex, and then back to Suboxone but in strip form, but its basically the same c**p, and the dose eventually narrowed to 1.5 8mg strips a day. Now, I should mention that I was insufflating (snorting) the stuff for a number of years right up until the end, strips I would cut them to the size I wanted and yes, stick it to the inside of my nose lol. It sounds ridiculous, I know, but there is a much higher absorption rate this way and I was able to take half as much, leaving me extra for whatever. This goes on for a few years, right up until the doctor cut me off, but I was able to find a place to get more, though it was probably an equally irritating procedure. Anyway the story isn't important, what is, is that I am currently on day 5 no opiates, opioids, or any other drug. I smoke cigarettes, and drink caffeinated beverages, and feel for the most part, damn good. The process I used is similar, minus the prescription drugs. I started by tapering my dose down to roughly 2 - 4 mgs a day, more out of necessity than anything else, so I was already at a jump-off dose to begin with, spaced out into three smaller doses throughout the day. I then over a period of about a week cut that small dose by half every day, until the pieces I was taking were so small it was almost absurd, though I should also add that they did have an effect anyway, and thats important, Im talking a dose of about 1/32nd of an 8mg strip, maybe even less. The fact it had an effect was a good sign. I then finished out the week with the last piece, and the next day was Day 1 for detox. I had very little trouble functioning for the taper week, its common to do a similar taper in rehabs Im told. So at non-specific points of time when I was feeling run-down, I would take vitamins, all different kinds but focusing on ones that are used by the brain for applying neurotransmitters, thinking maybe it would help get my brain back to doing its thing, and I feel it helped. If things got too much to handle without going berserk, I would drink a half a liter of tonic water over a half hour or so, take a small amount of Immodium pills, like 10 but it varies depending on your level of withdrawal and need, and drink the other half a liter to chase them down. The quinine in the tonic water will help suppress the p-glycoprotein that effuses (removes) the Loperamide from the brain side of the... its not important, Loperamide helps a bit, is all. It makes me sluggish, drowsy, and kind of dirty feeling so like I said its a last resort. Days 1 and 2 were the worst. Sweaty, freezing, sneezing, all that good stuff. Day 3 was okay, less extreme symptoms but still cold, and now also itchy, but not really sweaty either. Sleep has not come for more than an hour a day, and benadryl makes me feel just as weird and dirty as the Loperamide, but I think it allowed me to take multiple naps throughout the day. I took 8 total, probably should have stayed at 4, haven't taken it since. Also I was STARVING. Day 5 is now. I just ate a nice pizza, had a Muscle Milk, and my insanely hungry stomach is happy for now. I still have tiny waves of chills, but overall, Im warm on my own with no extra clothes, Im not going insane, not itchy, not sweaty, I had such a ravenous appetite I jumped out of bed (also couldn't sleep again, lots of energy!) and spent $35 at 7-11 on just random foods and cigarettes. All in all, the worst is over with. What I feel was critical in my detox was the tapering to such an insignificant amount, a friend to talk to about it (he went to a rehab, its like the same thing I did but they had hot tubs and prescriptions to help ease the symptoms), and number one critical point I must make, is that I am done with this game. I could have easily found a doctor or some other drug somewhere, its not hard, but I don't know Im just done, Im sick of doctors, Im sick of drugs, Im sick of being sick. Resolve and willpower are what I attribute my relatively easy day 5 to. Hell, Im practically normal already, simply because I made a decision last week, and when I finally get around to deciding something, I do not back down, change course, or alter plans. This is it for me, and if you want off, you need to be strong and tell your brain whats what, if you know what I mean. So to sum it all up, massive amounts of pills for 4 years, suboxone for another 5 after that, and this is how I quit and made it through in 5 days.

How many mg. of Vitamin B6?

Any suggestion of mg's of Vitamin B6?

Dont worry about the exact mg just pick up the first one you see and remember to eat cause to Many vitamins aren't good

Hey Liveloveandrepair , I been on Subutex for 15 Months , I have been Tapering for Almost 2 Months , From 8mg to 3 Mg Right Now , I need Some Help , , I am Really Struggling even with the Taper , I am Ready to just Stop , But am Scared of Taking a Heart Attack or Stroke , I am 56 , I NEVER had High Blood Pressure till I Started this Drug, Now Even Taking Blood Pressure Pills , I Still Feel like my Pressure and Anxiety is Up , But I am Really Tired and Feel Weak .
Thanks for your Post.

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Hey , Way to go Manned up , I am at 3-4 Mg , Been on Subutex for 15 Months , I am Ready to get off this c**p , I Like your Will Power and Strength , I was on at the Highest 8 mg , I am Poly Drugged from a Detox , I am On Klonopin and Remeron , Plus a Low Amount of Neurontin , I am Sick of the Drugs , I was On Ms Contin 120 mg a Day plus Hydromorphone 12 mg for like 8 year Prior to going into a Detox , Subutex is Costing me like 300 a Month and that Really makes me want off , I was on Workers Comp and Getting the other Opiates for Free.
Thanks for your Post , I hope I can do this , Like you Did , I am 55 Years old in Pretty decent Shape ..

I agree. in my case the doctor put me in suboxone to stop the opiates, worked like a charm, Now I am facing Suboxone wd. The very med that saved me is now feeling like my worst enemy. I am so tired of detoxing so many times in my long life, sub is attacking me mentally so far..Detoxing I mean.