I was told to remove them too, however I insisted that I was very anxious and not comfortable removing them and was allowed to keep them on.
Your underwear must not contain any metal. I wore knickers and a croptop style non-wired sports bra.
My surgery was on my groin in 2008
And another on the top of my thigh in 2016.
Don't let them pressure you into doing anything you are not comfortable with.
During surgery there is no jewelry worn by any theatre staff and under there scrub clothes all that is worn is underwear. Once you are anesthetized you are transferred to the operating table where you are prepped for surgery by the theatre nurse then covered with scrub sheets just leaving the area to be operated on uncovered you are not completely naked on the theatre table for all to see! The only ones that possible see you naked are the prep nurses and anestheticst the surgeon would be in a different room scrubbing up and getting his sterile gown on.
This is what all nurses say we may need to put a catheter in the oldest excuse in the book. you all just like us naked and vulnerable on the OR and then you all make fun of our bodies. so many recordings and you guys like to drug us with versed to make us compliant. PEOPLE LOOK UP VERSED THE DATE RAPE DRUG. When they tell you we are going to give you something to help you relax they are DRUGGING YOU. WRITE NO VERSED ON YOUR CONSENT FORM
They give you versed and or propofol as anesthesia because they don't want you remembering anything you did or was said from pre-op thru theater. So if you only said no to taking off the underpants and didn't put it in writing on the informed consent form and got a copy before you went to theater than it's likely you had the underwear removed in in the operating room because they have the versed and or propofol giving you anterograde amnesia causing you to forget what went on before you went to theater.
They tell you they're giving you the drugs to help you forget the surgical event.
In reality it's being given to you for their protection. If you don't remember telling them leave to leave the underwear on or no urinary catheter they can & do remove the underwear & insert a catheter for their convenience.
Hospital personnel are supposed to DO NO HARM first & foremost.
If a patient is having surgery and the surgical site is neither the breasts, buttocks, rectal or genital areas, then the patient should without question be provided with clothing to protect their privacy & modesty during surgery if they so choose.
If the hospital won't provide it, then the patient should without question be allowed to wear a pair of clean cotton briefs or panties and a sports type bra to protect their privacy and modesty.
The end result of any surgery is for the patient (not the hospital staff), to have the best possible outcome.
You cannot have the best possible outcome when the patient who doesn't want their privacy invaded to such a raw level is told from the time they go to pre-op that all the clothes have to come off.
Pre-op doesn't want to argue with the patient anymore as they already upset them enough by telling them over and over the underwear has to come off due to the sterile environment and in case we need to insert a urinary catheter. The patient’s blood pressure goes sky high, anxiety sets in and now your patient goes into a defensive mode to protect themselves. Pre-op figures let the OR deal with it now.
So pre-op has done a masterful good job so far of assuring this patient will not have the best possible out now.
So now the patient is rolled into the operating theater.
After they get inside first thing the "team" does is take the poor excuse for a gown off the patient before they are transferred to the operating table, leaving the patient fully exposed for everyone in the room to see. Please don't insult our intelligence. Everyone in the room takes a look see.
Alas, the nurse sees the patient left their underwear on. The nurse goes to the patient & tells them again that the underwear must go! Patient gets upset and says no way.
Rather than having their patient blow a gasket right then & there the nurse tells the patient okay okay just relax while we transfer you the operating table.
Patient is transferred to the operating table where anesthesia goes to work & knocks the patient out cold.
Now the OR sniper team goes to work.
First thing they do is get rid of the patients underwear whereby shedding the patient of their last vestige of modesty & dignity even though the patient said no to removal. Next put in a urinary catheter just in case. Even after patient said no.
Now, while their getting the room ready for the procedure EVERYBODY takes a peak at the patient before they have a chance to get the private areas covered.
Don’t dare say it doesn’t happen.
Case in point. Syracuse NY, nurse at University Hospital loses nursing license for taking pictures of a male patients private parts with her IPhone camera then distributing the pictures to her colleagues at work.
So surgery goes on without a hitch. After the surgical site is closed, the nurses take the urinary catheter out of the patient before they wake the patient up.
Patient will never know they had the catheter (unless someone on the OR staff tells the patient), because the OR staff used their favorite drugs for the anesthesia. Versed & Propofol. Both drugs cause the patient to develop anterograde amnesia so they won’t remember a thing from the time they went to sleep until the anesthesiologist wakes them up.
So patient is woke up & transferred to the Post Anesthesia Care Unit.
After the patient has had a little while to get their bearing back they feel a cool breeze underneath their hospital gown.
They check & find out that the OR staff took their underwear off after they were put to sleep.
Patient’s blood pressure starts rising.
They start thinking to them self, what else did they do to me while I was unconscious?
Blood pressure continues to rise & they get nervous.
The surgeon stops by to check on their patient & give them the surgical results. Surgeon notices the BP is high and asks the patient how they are feeling.
The patient calmly asks the doctor what happened to their underwear that they went into surgery in. He tells his patient he doesn’t know as you were already prepped for surgery when he entered the OR.
He doesn’t offer to find out what happened because he knows. He’s just not going to say.
He tells his patient to relax that he will check in on them again in a bit then leaves leaving you the patient who is supposed to be concentrating on getting better, wondering what the hell happened to you.
A little bit later a nurse (who talked with your surgeon beforehand) walks over to check on you & low and behold, she has a pair of underwear in her hands.
Now, hoping you have anterograde amnesia from the anesthesia, she says you might feel more comfortable if you had these back on so I went and got them from the clothes you took off when you got here. You put them on.
What she doesn’t know is you know full well, you went into that OR with those underwear on.
Your mind starts to think. Who took them off me after I said NO. How many people saw me completely nude? What kinda jokes did they make about me? Don’t anyone dare say no jokes are made. Case in point the female anesthesiologist who got caught on tape making jokes about a male patients privates during a colonoscopy.
Your anxiety level goes up and all you want to do now is get the hell out of there. You’re no longer thinking about getting better. You become depressed. You put on a good show in recovery so they let you go home.
They discharge you but you go home a completely different person. Your trust in the medical community is gone forever. You never get back mentally to the person you were before you went into the hospital.
Their words DO NO HARM first & foremost are that just words. They have no real meaning these days.
The hospital destroyed this patient’s outcome all because they had to have the patient’s underwear off.
They should be proud.
This scenario happens all the time all over this country in our hospitals.
Until the people take a stand & force regulators to take notice & force new and/or additional rule changes on the medical establishment, nothing will change.
Right now the only protection we have is to remember to write on the informed consent form that you knowing the consequences of your actions do not at any time authorize anyone to remove your underwear for any reason nor do you authorize the use of a urinary catheter of any type to be used on your body for any purpose at any time. Sign it. When everyone signs the forms make them copy it then & there & you personally hand your copy to someone you trust that’s with you. Don’t let hospital personnel tell you they will make sure so and so gets a copy.
You should ask that you have a copy of all the applicable consent forms at least three days before anything will happen so you have the time in a no rushing environment to go over the forms so you really know what they propose to do and can write in your no consents.
By doing it this way you take the chance that they won't do the surgery because they don't want you making any rules.
All for a pair of underwear. Hospitals are getting pettier all the time.
The hospital & doctor had choices. When the patient said no, the doctor could have come back three ways.
1. Okay, you can leave them on they won’t get in the way of the surgical site. Patient happy, good outcome.
2. Patient has to lose the underwear or no surgery. Nobody’s happy.
3. Ask the patient, would it be doable if we rescheduled surgery with a same gender team. Provided surgery can be put off. Win win for everyone.
Hospitals are supposed to be working towards becoming more patient oriented and friendly.
They need stronger regulations to help them along this path as they don't want to let go of "it's our way or the highway"..
Regards to all,
NTT
Not paranoid.
Patient care is no longer "it's our way or the highway" way of doing things to a more patient-centered care system. Patient-centered care being defined as "Providing care that is respectful of and responsive to individual patient preferences, needs, and values, and ensuring that patient values guide all clinical decisions."
So if I need to leave my underwear on let me or, give me options like a same gender medical team to ease my fears so there's a good outcome from the surgery.
It's called working TOGETHER as a TEAM to facilitate the best possible outcome.
We can and we must work together to create a system that works for everyone.
Best regards,
NTT
There is a dark side to the medical profession (especially nursing), that is casting a veil of mistrust between healthcare professionals & patients.
The professionals who really do advocate for their patients no matter what, currently are afraid to standup to and against these perverts that go around taking pictures of patients privates & talking to other staff members telling them they gotta see the junk patient in B2 has.
They don't want to lose their job (and who blames them), so their patient continues to suffer the needless humiliation.
Until the federal & state boards that oversee the medical establishment get off their lazy backsides & create & enforce tougher rules the dark side of the medical profession will continue to get their jollies at sick peoples expense.
Our criminal justice system is also to blame as when they have irrefutable evidence in their hands, they for whatever reason refuse to send these perverts (especially if its a woman), to prison. They get their license to practice revoked or suspended then the courts give them 2-3 years probation with some community service.
That to me at least doesn't send any statement to these perverts.
Next time your dad, husband, son, brother, or boyfriend doesn't go to the doctor when he should ask yourself, could it be because of the way a nurse or nurses treated him last time he went?
Like I said, many men have walked away rather than be disrespected & humiliated.
The public needs to take this problem seriously and take a stand.
If judges aren't gonna put these perverts away, don't vote them back into office.
Talk to and/or write your elected officials.
Tell them you want the medical profession cleaned up NOW before one of your loved ones has to die unnecessarily because they didn't get the healthcare they needed due to unscrupulous doctors, nurses, and medical staff currently running unchecked in the healthcare industry.
Regards to all,
NTT
If your that worried of them seeing your naked body I think it more the case you have issues with your own body and don't want anyone else to see it.
And where you get the idea that hospitals in England give you modesty shorts to wear during surgery I don't know because I had an operation on my shoulder about 6 months ago in a NHS hospital and all I was wearing was a theater gown!
It's a clean not a sterile procedure yet over 90% of the American healthcare industry forces the patient to be completely nude except the the famous johnny gown (they may as well be nude), for the procedure whereby stripping away any vestige of dignity & modesty the patient may have had.
Over in the UK, every patient (man or woman), is issued what they call modesty pants to allow the patient to keep their dignity respect, and modesty.
What's the big deal with allowing men & women to keep their dignity & modesty by providing women with a paper bra & both men & women with colonoscopy shorts. The shorts and the pants have a panel in the back that the clinician can open & lower to insert the scope while covering up their privates from wandering eyes better than just blankets can.
If the facility doesn't stock the items the patient should be allowed to bring them with them to the test.
If nothing else, women should be allowed to wear a non-metallic sports bra & both men & women should be allowed to wear a pair of clean boxer shorts backwards so as to provide an opening for the clinician and protect the patients modesty at the same time.
As I said this isn't a sterile procedure so the effort needed by the facility to make the patient feel safe in what to them is a hostile environment by providing the shorts isn't asking too much.
Facility makes patient experience a good one equals a happy patient who praises the facility to all their friends that may have a need to go there one day.
Regards to all,
NTT