Kidney Stone Info/Tricks from a guy who's passed more than 200!
269 answers - active on Feb 19th 2022
I looked through some of these posts and I see that a lot of people have kidney stone issues and have been, or are going through many of the situatios that I have. I have become a sefl-taught expert on kidney stones since I have passed over 200 in my lifetime. I have a congenital kidney disease called Medullary Sponge Kidney Disease and it causes me to make stones like most people grow fingernails.
When you pass that many stones, you get to know your body and tricks to make things less painful so I thought I'd come and tell of some experiences that might help others. In addition to passing more than 200, I've also been through 7 Lythotrypsies so I know all that as well.
I passed my first stone when I was 20. Typical severe pain in my left flank area, like a knife pushed deep and twisting. That lasted several hours and landed me in the E.R. It took me 3 weeks to pass that stone but I finally did. The pain is typically the most instense pain a man will ever go through. The way I know it's a stone is that no amount of re-positioning makes that pain better. It stays the same incredible intensity throughout the experience. For those who are not familiar with stones, the pain is caused when the stone is pushed down the ureters on the way to the bladded. Generally, you will pass a lot of blood the first few times this happens. Not usually bright red blood but very dark rust colored. I actually passed blood the day before the pain. Didn't know, at that time, what was going on but learned quick.
Over the years, I have so much scar tissue built up inside my ureters that I no longer pass any visible blood and seldom feel the stone passing down the ureters. I have even passed 8mm stones and never knew which side it came down because it didn't hurt. But that was after the first 50 or so.
I also know WHERE in the ureter the stone is by the type and location of pain. I know a stone is right near the opening to the bladder because I get this very regular spasm, about every second or so, but the pain is felt in the tip of the penis, as if the stone is actually stuck about 1/2 inch inside the urethra. But higher up the ureter the stone is, the deeper I feel the pain in my penis, ie: If the stone is 1" from the bladder, that spasming is about 1 & 1/2 inches from the tip of my penis. This is when I know I have to push a ton of water.
I generally know when the stone passes into the bladder as I get one more very intense sharp spasm... the kind that make you scream "OUCH"! Then I get ready for the next step... passing it through my penis. This is less painful than it sounds but always shocks the sh!t out of me, excuse my french. It almost always goes like this... I start peeing, and right near the end I feel the stone hit the exit of the bladder. I generally don't get the stone out then. Often it literally gets stuck in my urethra which is really painful and is noted by a sharp pain in that area when bending forward. Then I do this trick... I drink lots of water, wait until my bladder is really full and hit the bathroom. I then hold the very tip of my penis tightly so that no pee can come out. I release the stream, causing my urethra to expand (like in the cartoons when someone plugs a fire hose and a big bubble grows near the end), then I release my grip. This cause a huge, fast stream and generally pushes the trapped stone out. Often, I have to keep squeezing off the penis, over and over again while trying to keep urinating, eventually, I pass the stone. In cases where the stone is particularily large or difficult, I will fill the tub with very warm water, get in and get down on all fours, reaching back to perform the same squeezing technique. This allows you to pee underwater and point the penis straight down, an aid to getting it out of the lowest point in the bladder. Yes, I end up sitting in a bathtub full of water (and my own pee) but it works. I find a huge stone in the bottom of the tub. Then I simply shower.
Because I form stones so fast, they are generally very jagged, like quartz crystals with spikes on the ends. Stones that spend years froming are generally more round and easier to pass. But often, my stones don't show up on xray because they from so fast, they are not dense and therefore, not radio-opaque. This oftens causes me issues as new doctors think I'm faking a stone.
Another trick I use is when I have a stone stuck in my ureter for weeks or months. I go to the E.R. and have them hook me up to a normal sailine I.V. and push it wide open. This moves so much fluid through my kidneys that the stone often moves to the bladder with 2 hours. But this is not recommended for men over 50 as having that much fluid in your boday can cause a heart attack. Basically, you are simulating Congestive Heart Failure by having so much fluid going through your bloodstream. I haven't done the IV thing since I turned 50.
As to what causes my stones, they are almost always calcium-oxylate, the typical type. Drinking colas is the number one way people get these stones. But eating nuts is also not a good idea. Many people say coffee is bad (tea is very high in oxylates) but I actually drink only coffee for the past 5 years and have greatly reduced my stone issues. I do drink lots of coffee and some water too so I think the hydration alone is what's working. I spent 2 years drinking 2 bears a day... never created a stone in 2 years. But I couldn't keep my beer gut from forming. Beer is a great diuretic.
I also try to take a Flomax when I know I'm about to pass a stone. Makes it easier to release the prostate and get flow going.
These are just some of the things I've learned over the years. I hope they help someone. I came here today because I feel like I passed a stone into my bladder but have not been able to flush it out. And at least half the times I go to pee, there is nothing, no pain, no stone trying to exit the bladder near the end. This is very unusual for me. And it happened the same last month... felt I passed a stone but never did. So either I have one stuck in the bladder (which BTW happens often... the bladder is not smooth on the inside, it has lots of folds and crevices that like to hold onto stones) or I am experiencing prostate stones for the first time. I came here looking for symptoms of those as they are new to me.
Good luck to all. Drink lots of water!
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Thank you very much for the tip! Found this page googling stinging in bladder as I suspected my kidney stone passed into the bladder and was getting stuck in urethra as pain was very sharp and felt like urine was being blocked. Followed you instructions about drinking lots of water, waiting, then squeezed tip of penis to increase back pressure. My 5mm stone popped out no problem. Thanks again buddy, you are life saver!
"Been forming stones for over 30years, 51 year old now. I have tried all of the alternative methods found online, and found a really good system to eject small stones from the kidney.
I should also add that I have tried chanca piedra from ebay and amazon sellers, found most of it to be contaminated with fine sand. An old trick to increase weight.
The chanca piedra will not dissolve stones, nothing will, what it is claimed to do is stop the crystals sticking together to form a stone.
I noticed that I ejected a stone from the kidney after using a punching bag for extended periods of time, or if I polished metal for hours on end ( I am an artist). Now I am absolutely certain that I am able to shake the stones free, I have passed four at the same time, only problem relates to the size of the stone.
The first time this happened two of the stones were too big to pass 8mm on the left 10mm on the right, ESWL for me! Result? Both kidneys full of small bits which attract more crystals and make bigger stones. Took me two years to get rid of the shrapnel, while regularly producing new stones.
So here is my routine:
Find an exercise which " shakes" your kidneys, do this intensely and for a few days
Hot baths with, if possible, shower jet directly on abdomen and side. Get the bath as hot as you can tolerate it, do so by adding hot water when you are already in.
You might now get a dull pressure like pain in your lower back, sometimes a rhythmical spasm, (this is the kidney trying to push the stone out). If lucky, you will now get the burning sensation in your private area! Sometimes the burning sensation is akin to a rhythmical prick (no pun intended).
Now it's time for apple juice, or pineapple, drinking 3 glasses in one go. Water also works, olive oil makes no difference, but the aforementioned juices definitely help.
I have also found dandelion tea and chamomile to help relax the area and help flow, but in hard to budge stones I will use Flomax!
Other technique is to drink a couple of pints of water and to lay on the side in a position which puts the upper body lower than the upper. Help things along by gently "percussing" the kidney.
By the way, the shortest time to pass a stone has been 3 days, the longest a stone was stuck for? 6 months. Doctor told me it was impossible, she should have been next to me when the thing hit a stainless steel urinal, sounded like a bullet hitting a car in an an action movie.
But this was years ago, since I have been forming so many stones I have become better informed than my GP.
Saw my specialist yesterday, signed me off for a year. Tonight I passed another stone.
Above are methods which definitely work for me, I don't sell any magical cures or herbs, I reckon water and the right physical movement help.
I bet loads of professions have low incidence of renal calculi, especially those that involve a particular movement.
Yes, drinking loads of water is imperative, but some of us obviously need to drink much more.
Please do bear in mind that large stones might become stuck, this can cause very serious consequences. Get an xray, preferably a CT scan, so at least you know its size.
I am passing my 29th stone, this one is 6mms and I've been trying to pass it for 2 weeks now... the pain has moved from my left flank to my tailbone, is this where my stone is stuck? I'm not showing signs of blood, but it feels like my tailbone is broken..
I feel ya on that one... the guys at work called me a pussy today and i was like sheesh if you only knew...
I never have flank pain but have tons of what I call "urethera Pain". feels like a fork is scraping my urethera....only thing that helps is AZO.
How often do you take this wonderful concoction? I'm working on my 4th day and this sucker has to be stuck. Thank you!
I'm going hiking far away from a hospital. I'm very afraid of having a kidney stone attack out there. My attacks have always come just after urinating. Is there a position (lying on side) or trick (not completely emptying my bladder) that I can employ to reduce chance of having problem when far away from med help.
- Also, just in case I am going to bring along some Buscopan / Buscopina that I purchased in Mexico
33 yr old female. I quit counting my stones after 15 (although I name them all, like bad child birth for a child I don't want). Anyways typically my kidney to bladder goes in stages. Usually 5/6 hours and a break for week or 2 and then into the bladder. I have had 2 moving at the same time recently. 1 from kidney to bladder (diablo is his name). This mother Fer knocked me to my knees 2 times now,14/15 hrs with no let up and still hasn't hit the bladder. Knock on wood it's been a week without a flare. But for 3 weeks I've been fighting w one in the urethra. I cam feel it way low. Like its stuck right at the opening. The spasms are unrelenting every single day. It's insane. I usually again get breaks,a week or so or at least a few days where it must sit nicely in there without pain. But this one will NOT come out. Any tricks for women to force that out likr you do holding the pee in? No matter how hard I try I can't seem to build up enough pressure to move this jerk and while it's not knocking me to my knees, even when I sit for work it's grinding away at my lady parts and I'm about to go postal *Damon is the low one. Mine are always jagged, bad. I've never been told how many I have ,just "a bunch". Oddly enough my right side had more and I've only ever passed 1 from the right. Always the left but of course they coukdnt see the left on xray because apparently I had gas in there. Lmao go figure. I've been flagged as a drug seeker 2 times because sometimes mine don't show on xray. I don't want litho as I've read showoff recent studies from mayo clinic that it raises your chances for diabetes and hypertension. Anyways anyone have any tricks for women? Thanks.
Any tips for passing them faster, mine always get suck, for at least 2 days at the end of the ureter opening to the bladder and I am so miserable, they gave me some pain meds but they are a joke and I take flomax too. I am a woman, so the penis trick mentioned above won't work for me lol. I get stones about 1-2 times per month; please help.
I was just going to suggest bringing effective pain meds, anti vomit meds, and plenty of water. You dont want to get dehydrated out on a hike doubled over in pain. they gave me dulodid' for the pain, I needed 2, but i also vomited within minutes of taking them, but the anti vomit stuff worked for that. again, water. but the vibration from walking will help jar them loose for passing in my experience. Best to you, these things SUCK
I can also feel if something is in my urinal tract. First stone is the worst, the second one was a 3mm stone with a 1 mm stone all together. Doctor mentioned me having several small stones
i seem to have found my stone age family,,i thought i was the only one getting so many recurrent stones ,ive had approx 80 now and about 10 operations going home with a stent another one of the devils creations and i have tried every possible drink ,,about 5 years ago i first heard of chanca piedra and bought it straight from amazon supplyers and it worked a treat within a week of taking it every stone was coming out,it felt like id been let out of my stone prison,but over the last few years its changed it only comes from pharma supplys now and is not as good at all,right now i have a stone from my left side stuck in my bladder and a stone from my right kidney stuck in my urater ,,there has to be an end to this for all of us,when you have a stone your in horrible pain,horrible mood,and missing out on life and the life you want to live,
