Kidney Stone Info/Tricks from a guy who's passed more than 200!
269 answers - active on Feb 19th 2022
I looked through some of these posts and I see that a lot of people have kidney stone issues and have been, or are going through many of the situatios that I have. I have become a sefl-taught expert on kidney stones since I have passed over 200 in my lifetime. I have a congenital kidney disease called Medullary Sponge Kidney Disease and it causes me to make stones like most people grow fingernails.
When you pass that many stones, you get to know your body and tricks to make things less painful so I thought I'd come and tell of some experiences that might help others. In addition to passing more than 200, I've also been through 7 Lythotrypsies so I know all that as well.
I passed my first stone when I was 20. Typical severe pain in my left flank area, like a knife pushed deep and twisting. That lasted several hours and landed me in the E.R. It took me 3 weeks to pass that stone but I finally did. The pain is typically the most instense pain a man will ever go through. The way I know it's a stone is that no amount of re-positioning makes that pain better. It stays the same incredible intensity throughout the experience. For those who are not familiar with stones, the pain is caused when the stone is pushed down the ureters on the way to the bladded. Generally, you will pass a lot of blood the first few times this happens. Not usually bright red blood but very dark rust colored. I actually passed blood the day before the pain. Didn't know, at that time, what was going on but learned quick.
Over the years, I have so much scar tissue built up inside my ureters that I no longer pass any visible blood and seldom feel the stone passing down the ureters. I have even passed 8mm stones and never knew which side it came down because it didn't hurt. But that was after the first 50 or so.
I also know WHERE in the ureter the stone is by the type and location of pain. I know a stone is right near the opening to the bladder because I get this very regular spasm, about every second or so, but the pain is felt in the tip of the penis, as if the stone is actually stuck about 1/2 inch inside the urethra. But higher up the ureter the stone is, the deeper I feel the pain in my penis, ie: If the stone is 1" from the bladder, that spasming is about 1 & 1/2 inches from the tip of my penis. This is when I know I have to push a ton of water.
I generally know when the stone passes into the bladder as I get one more very intense sharp spasm... the kind that make you scream "OUCH"! Then I get ready for the next step... passing it through my penis. This is less painful than it sounds but always shocks the sh!t out of me, excuse my french. It almost always goes like this... I start peeing, and right near the end I feel the stone hit the exit of the bladder. I generally don't get the stone out then. Often it literally gets stuck in my urethra which is really painful and is noted by a sharp pain in that area when bending forward. Then I do this trick... I drink lots of water, wait until my bladder is really full and hit the bathroom. I then hold the very tip of my penis tightly so that no pee can come out. I release the stream, causing my urethra to expand (like in the cartoons when someone plugs a fire hose and a big bubble grows near the end), then I release my grip. This cause a huge, fast stream and generally pushes the trapped stone out. Often, I have to keep squeezing off the penis, over and over again while trying to keep urinating, eventually, I pass the stone. In cases where the stone is particularily large or difficult, I will fill the tub with very warm water, get in and get down on all fours, reaching back to perform the same squeezing technique. This allows you to pee underwater and point the penis straight down, an aid to getting it out of the lowest point in the bladder. Yes, I end up sitting in a bathtub full of water (and my own pee) but it works. I find a huge stone in the bottom of the tub. Then I simply shower.
Because I form stones so fast, they are generally very jagged, like quartz crystals with spikes on the ends. Stones that spend years froming are generally more round and easier to pass. But often, my stones don't show up on xray because they from so fast, they are not dense and therefore, not radio-opaque. This oftens causes me issues as new doctors think I'm faking a stone.
Another trick I use is when I have a stone stuck in my ureter for weeks or months. I go to the E.R. and have them hook me up to a normal sailine I.V. and push it wide open. This moves so much fluid through my kidneys that the stone often moves to the bladder with 2 hours. But this is not recommended for men over 50 as having that much fluid in your boday can cause a heart attack. Basically, you are simulating Congestive Heart Failure by having so much fluid going through your bloodstream. I haven't done the IV thing since I turned 50.
As to what causes my stones, they are almost always calcium-oxylate, the typical type. Drinking colas is the number one way people get these stones. But eating nuts is also not a good idea. Many people say coffee is bad (tea is very high in oxylates) but I actually drink only coffee for the past 5 years and have greatly reduced my stone issues. I do drink lots of coffee and some water too so I think the hydration alone is what's working. I spent 2 years drinking 2 bears a day... never created a stone in 2 years. But I couldn't keep my beer gut from forming. Beer is a great diuretic.
I also try to take a Flomax when I know I'm about to pass a stone. Makes it easier to release the prostate and get flow going.
These are just some of the things I've learned over the years. I hope they help someone. I came here today because I feel like I passed a stone into my bladder but have not been able to flush it out. And at least half the times I go to pee, there is nothing, no pain, no stone trying to exit the bladder near the end. This is very unusual for me. And it happened the same last month... felt I passed a stone but never did. So either I have one stuck in the bladder (which BTW happens often... the bladder is not smooth on the inside, it has lots of folds and crevices that like to hold onto stones) or I am experiencing prostate stones for the first time. I came here looking for symptoms of those as they are new to me.
Good luck to all. Drink lots of water!
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Dude - thank you for this post. I'm in here reading all these posts going mental w/the back and forth (drink olive oil!, then vinegar!, then this plant!, then this vitamin!, then jump!, then use massage thing!...). Your summary (and story) are very help as I'm in semi same situation (from missing the workouts and even up to the wife bit lmao - even pokemon could be up my alley).
I have the docs pushing for (some kind of ?) surgery in 3 weeks if I don't pass myself by then. That will be around the 2 month mark for me as well. I am praying I can pass it by then. They say it's in the lower part of the ureter tube now - but I've had no pain for weeks so I figured it was in bladder.
Anyhow - just wanted to say thanks for sharing your story and advice. I'm doing most of what you recommend though I probably need to move/justle more - maybe that's the hold up. Anyhow - thanks, God bless you.
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I'm a long time lurker on this forum and from time to time like to enter into discussion.
The main reason why I post here is the funny story that a friend of mine told us several weeks ago. Online meeting, home isolation, only those stories are allowed. :)
Back to the story, he had a lot of trouble with kidney stones. I mean, a lot. So he went to his doctor who told him to drink warm beer. :) I mean, how can someone possible say something like that, but oh how wrong was I.
It's pretty much logical thing, beer consists mostly of the water - you drink more water, you urinate more frequently. Urination helps passing the stones - very simple. In the end, he successfully passed several kidney stones with the help of beer. Some of you guys can try it out as well.
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Oil doesn’t pass thru kidneys or bladder, so drink all the oil you want, it has nothing to do with helping pass a kidney stone. Wish this myth would die once and for all. (3500+ stones over 37 years)
I just took chanca piedra herb and magenesium citrate. Then i laid down and raised my hips up/ raised my lower half and put a handheld massager for 30 minutes up to the painful flank.. Did some rolling side to side think I could shake the stone loose from wherever. Seemed to help alot with the pain. Then I took a nap and when I wokeup I was in a lot less pain. I captured my pee in a jar and it is absolutely full of cloudy white sediment. A lot less pain. Mostly just sore and astonished and relieved.
I just took chanca piedra herb and magenesium citrate. Then i laid down and raised my hips up/ raised my lower half and put a handheld massager for 30 minutes up to the painful flank.. Did some rolling side to side think I could shake the stone loose from wherever. Seemed to help alot with the pain. Then I took a nap and when I wokeup I was in a lot less pain. I captured my pee in a jar and it is absolutely full of cloudy white sediment. A lot less pain. Mostly just sore and astonished and relieved.
What is your Lemon Juice recipe?
What is your Lemon Juice recipe?
How often do you take that concoction of lemon juice and olive oil?
Thankyou for sharing your experience. I had 5 kids, and NEVER hurt like this. It's been months now, but I take pain medication but it's so bad I can't sleep more than 2 hours at a time before the severe pain makes me get up. I'm drinking Apple cider vinegar and olive oil and that "helps" with the pain for a few hours. I only just found out what I have yesterday and I'm now on my search for solutions to cure this and NEVER get it again. Whatever modifications I have to make to my life habits to keep this at bay, I will do. This pain is no joke. I will keep you in my prayers.
I have my first stone at age 57! I went to ER after calling 24/7 advice nurse. CT scan showed a 5 to 6 cm stone. I was given Oxycodone, Ibuprofen, nausea pills, and a laxative to combat the pain killer causing constipation. I was in AGONY in my belly for the next day and more. Bloated to 9 months pregnant and so much pain, maybe worse than the kidney pain. My daughter is a nurse and she told me that the laxative they gave me is very harsh, it's used for people with cirrhosis of the liver so that they excrete the ammonia in their pooh. I stopped taking that and changed to Colace. A day later my belly pain went away after some MASSIVE passing of gas and diarrhea. Have not passed the stone but I'm now able to drink water that I couldn't even keep down before. After some reading I got Chanca Piedra 1600mg, taking 2 pills twice per day. I hope this helps me too!
I'll try some of those moves. I have a Hitachi Wand and used it for a little bit when the pain was intense. I'll try it again for longer.
I've had kidney stones for the last 20 years or so. For the last 2 years I've been drinking about a gallon of water a day with a tablespoon or so of apple cider vinegar and around 30 mEq of potassium citrate in hopes of preventing the formation of calcium oxalate stones. It seemed to be working but I went on vacation where it was very hot and there was no air conditioning and as I was travelling a lot could not hydrate as much as I normally would. I developed flank pain an knew that I was passing a stone and over a 3 day period passed around 25 stones, 10 or so in the 4-5mm range, the rest were grain of sand sized. I assume they broke loose due to being dehydrated. This got me wondering if it would make sense to stay hydrated then allow myself to become dehydrated for a few days every couple of months in an effort to shed and pass the stones before they get too large. Has anyone every tried this?
So my husband has a kidney stone, the other night he said he felt a pop and his pain went away so I'm assuming it's made it to his bladder, but now he can't pee at all? He's been drinking water and Gatorade all day but doesn't have much of an urge to go, I feel like it's a large stone and is blocking his bladder preventing him from peeing, he said he doesn't feel any pressure or anything, so I'm starting to get worried, we dont have insurance at the moment but I'm tempted to make him get insurance just so we can go to the hospital and have everything checked out, he's 43 and this will be his first kidney stone
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