You're right George, I have posted 20 things around here, so it's about time to register :)
It's a good thing to eat healthy for a while. I have started to cook for myself, I enjoy it very much and it tastes (most of the time) much better than the cr@p that I used to buy and shove into the microwave/oven. I personally want to stay clean, I have an urge once and a while, but I know that in my case one joint easily results within a couple of weeks in smoking every night. My physical and mental state have improved so much in so many ways that I don't want to return to my old life.
I am happy to see that you are doing better already. Quitting can be tough, I hope that you can refrain from the ganja though. As jmc just posted, there is a good chance that starting again can disrupt the balance again. Maybe you are lucky and it won't, time will tell you. Maybe you are lucky and it will ;)
Anyways, keep me updated in this thread and I hope your body recovers as well as mine did.
Seriously? It is totally related to your weed smoking?
What symptoms if you dont mind me asking? You say stomach ache, cramping and throwing up......and migraines. Have you considering cyclic vomiting or is it not the same symptoms? I am asking because my illness CVS is getting wrongly confused with Cannabis Hyperemesis so I am searching the internet looking for people such as yourself in order to establish a difference in symptoms. Many CVS patients are being poorly treated in ER rooms due to these "stories" so I am really looking for the truth to help prevent the pain, suffering and labelling we have.
Anyway mate, interested to speak to you again, you seem very precise about how long you have suffered and what symptoms so it would be great if you would reply....even better on the CVSA message board (thats if you symptoms are like CVS ofcourse).
Life without cannabis isnt so bad you know, certainly not as bad as what you sound like you are going through now. Why not just quit for the sake of your health? My friend had a heart attack recently and has had to quit cannabis. He struggled for a few weeks but now he cant understand why he ever did it. If its making you poorly just quit, life is too short.
Hi! I was so happy to see this post! I have been experiencing stomach pain in the morning, with nausea and vomiting for 8 years now, I never figured smoking pot could be the cause of all of this. Actually, I thought I was helping my nausea by continuing to smoke (don't they prescribe it for nausea?) Anyway, I have been smoking marijuana daily about 3-4 bowls for almost ten years now. I've never had any health issues and consider myself an active outdoorswoman, 5'9" 160 lbs. Since the stomach pains have started I've been in and out of the ER, mainly for dehydration, averaging once a month. I've had an endoscopy, colonoscopy, CT scans, Ultrasounds, ate a radioactive egg sandwich and let the docs watch it go through my intestines, blood work, blah blah blah, and everything came back negative! Convinced by family and friends this might be stress related, I even entered a DBT Therapy group, and started up on anxiety/depression medication. After much research on my own, mostly online, I am now convinced that I have Cannabinoid Hyperemesis Syndrome. For me quitting resolves all of my symptoms. If I start smoking daily again, the symptoms usually come back within 1-2 weeks.
Hi Guest,
Have you copied and pasted that?
What symptoms do you have? nausea and vomiting for 8 years is very vague. Also your story is very similar to other women who have posted that exact paragraph. I will find it and copy and paste it because all you gals should get together instead of posting one posts and disappearing.
If you are so happy to find this post, you will be even more ecstatic when you search the internet more and fine the 10 other threads I post in. Why dont you go on there and tell your story? Your all outdoorswoman who are fitest of the fitest yet you get stoned every day! Interesting!
So, again what are your symptoms? nausea and vomiting for 8 years....as soon as you quit smoking cannabis the symptoms stop.............why are you even here? Just stop cannabis and you are done then? Again, please a few more symptoms would be really helpful and may well help CVS patients who are being told it is cannabis causing it!
How can a hospital tell you that it is pot causing your sickness, if you don't have any THC in your system?
I think I can already predict the outcome of isitweedornot's colonscopy then...
Sidestep...
A couple of days ago I dove into the world of TMS (Tension Myositis Syndrome) recently. I have suffered from backpain, groinpain, neckpain, muscle fasciculations, poor leg control, belly problems etc.. The theory that TMS is based on is that all kinds of physical discomforts that cannot be satisfactorily explained by physicians are directly caused by the subconcious brain. It is said that the subconscious brain does this to distract the conscious brain, in order to prevent subconscious emotions to break through to the conscious brain. (Still with me :) ). Since the day that I read the book and I accepted the fact that it was a psychological process, I started to feel better significantly as my back, groin, leg control and fasciculations improved dramatically. I am still a bit mindblown by this... I know that most readers will now have a laugh, as I did when I first read about TMS, I don't blame you. I do however believe that the mind can cause or influence an incredible amount of pysical sympoms. Headaches, stomach ulcers, stiff necks are already more-or-less accepted to be, but intestinal problems, back aches, SI-joint disorders and what not aren't. Why can a brain process cause a headache and not a back ache? Your whole body is controlled by your nerve system. Your nerve system is controlled by...?? right.
If you would like to know more about this TMS, I suggest you read a book about it. The one I choose had a testimonial of one of my personal heroes Howard Stern on the back, in which he states that he got rid of his 20+ years of chronic back pain and OCD in a matter weeks. This made the choice easy for me. :) [The Mindbody Prescription by John E. Sarno].
Where am I going with this you might wonder. Well, I am very curious what the role of cannabis could be in this mind-body process. Since most people state that the problems are there the next morning after the effect of the THC has subsided, it might be that the subconscious is raged about the lack of THC? Also it could be that the subsiding high feeds certain emotions (guilt, shame, regret, ??) in the subconscious. It could be that anxiety fed the emotions in the subconscious. Maybe there is something else I did not think of yet. Whatever it is, it increases the need for the subconscious to distract your conscious by causing or aggravating physical symptoms.
The theory about TMS further states that medication or physical treatment will not stop this mechanism. It may alleviate, but it will in most cases start other symptoms (for example anxiety or depression!, a new pain in your leg, itchy skin, allergy, migraine etc. etc.) or after treatment the symptom simply comes back. Furthermore it may make you believe that your symptom is physically/chemically curable, which is devastating for the belief that it is caused by a psychological mechanism. Convincing yourself that it is is a vital step in getting better.
I still do believe that the THC influences the intestinal motility and can therefore cause all kinds of physical discomfort. I do however also believe that there are mind-body processes going on as THC influences brain processes. Whatever the perspective, quitting our beloved MJ is a vital step to stop it.
Also read the 'does marijuana cause backpain' and similar threads to understand why I came up with this TMS thing.
Please react in a constructive way, I already know that there are lots of people who don't even believe that smoking can cause any physical discomfort, let alone the crazy TMS theory. I am interested however to hear from people that do have physical discomfort that they connect to cannabis use. Maybe someone sees a strong resemblance with the TMS theory.
What do you mean mate?
I will try and answer what I think you mean,
If you suffer from Cyclic Vomiting Syndrome and go to the ER, despite there being many CVS patients who dont smoke cannabis, due to these unsubstantiated rumours on threads like this the doctors will assume you are lying and discharge you anyway without testing for THC.
Fortunately this has never happened to me however in order to try and help CVS patients in this positions our own CVS doctor has come out and made this statement about the CHS studies -
“Recently, there has been considerable controversy over the role of cannabis in these patients. While “cannabinoid hyperemesis syndrome” has been touted as a new diagnosis, there does not appear to be sufficient data to implicate marijuana as a “cause” of CVS. In a recent review of 31 published cases, the average duration of marijuana use preceding onset of vomiting was just over 10 years; the long delay in presentation of symptoms following chronic marijuana use argues against cannabis being a cause for the vomiting. Also, long-term follow-up is lacking in case series of patients with “cannabinoid hyperemesis.” The acute administration of marijuana has been shown in animal studies to stop vomiting and cannabinoid agents such as dronabinol and nabilone have been used to treat nausea and vomiting due to chemotherapy. The effects of chronic marijuana use are poorly understood and whether marijuana use unmasks CVS is unclear; further prospective studies are warranted to address this issue. We currently recommend abstinence of marijuana while treating patients with CVS as this is a risk factor for nonresponse to conventional medications.”
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Also here is another statment made regarding the movin meat thread here - http://getbetterhealth.com/dealing-with-cyclic-vomiting-syndrome-given-how-little-is-known-about-the-condition/2011.11.29
The other statements are almost beyond comment. Our Advisors have worked so hard to get CVS recognized and yet there are many doctors and nurses who refuse to believe it. I think all sufferers have been accused of drug seeking or doing it to themselves many times and it is only through the encouragement of CVSA members that they can feel that they are not crazy and that they do have a real condition. There will always be ignorance among those who choose not to listen. When you think about it rationally, who would choose to do this to themselves??!
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Anyway, this is why people with CVS are being refused treatment at ER rooms and the real reason I am here to find the difference between CVS and CHS....hopefully guest will help me out?
Very interesting, especially the movin meat link.
It strengthens my suspicion about a mindbody process (TMS) causing either CVS or CHS. It is suspected to be psychogenic, it is long lasting, it is without a clear physical cause and there is no known cure.
One thing I want to emphasize is that YOU ARE NOT CRAZY if you suffer from any form of mindbody disorders. This is what is the most difficult step is to convince people about TMS. If you are told that it is all in your head, it is between the ears or it is psychogenic, the normal reaction of almost everyone is defence and rejection. In modern society it is not done to have psychological problems, physical ones however are widely accepted. Therefore most people repress emotions and the subconscious tries to distract you from them by causing the weirdest physical symptoms. This is entirely possible as any process in your body can be influenced by the brain.
"When you think about it rationally, who would choose to do this to themselves??! " No one would, but your subconscious might as it does not act rationally.... Would I choose to give myself a back ache for years on end?? Ofcourse not, but I fully accept the fact that my subconscious could be the hidden cause.
Okay, I stop now. I am trying to convince you about something I am only just beginning to scratch the surface off. I hope you are at least open to the possibility and would be willing to put some energy in this hypothesis. It is controversial stuff, the thing that convinced me though was reading the book and experiencing a big improvement almost immediately.
I feel a lot of rage in your posts, which I fully understand. I can only imagine what a CVS or CHS sufferer has to go through. I feel you are angry at us (former) pot users for not being treated the right way in the emergency room? A forum like this is ofcourse largely filled with unsubstantiated remarks. People without medical training try to find causes and solutions for conditions. This however is more due to a shortcoming in the contemporary medical knowledge than to blame on the forum users. I may be completely on the wrong track here also, so don't feel offended.
Take care, hope we can help each other out in some way
Hiya MegAdam,
Yeah your right, there is alot of rage in my posts. Its because I am very angry about people who come along, post 1 post on a thread how their life is so badly affected by this disorder but then never ever come back or share any more nformation about their illness.
I am poorly with CVS and I am still searching all these months later. I see some stories on how cannabis has affected their lives for 20 years and now they have stopped everything is rosey again blah blah but they never come back, nor do they answer any further questions about their illness. Infact most of the time they come back very abusive as though I dont believe them which is so not the truth, I am just questioning some of their symptoms. If there was a cause my my CVS and I found it I would be shouting it from the rooftops and helping as many people as I could.............not just make 1 post on various cannabis forums. This helps no one, and is infacrt causing trouble for patients.
Anyway I am rambling again. Thanks for your post. I will definitely look into TMS. I am sorry if I come across as angry and in rage. I am but it isnt directed at you. I am fed up of speaking to 1 post people, it gets very frustrating. I guess you understand that though and I thankyou for not taking offence
That's a heavy rugsack that you are carrying with you. I think it may be too heavy. Ofcourse you get p!$$ed then about people not helping you. But getting angry at those people won't get you anywhere. Focus on the people that may help you and be a bit less agressive to them. You may not be aware of it, but you are. I think you will get better response that way.
Okay, I want to set something straight in the TMS-thingy. Plz replace subconscious with UNconscious. I am Dutch, so I have some translation issues once and a while. :)
lol thanks your right about the ruck sack and I am ready to ditch it trust me, but to be completely honest I am not here looking for help. I am here trying to investigate a link between cannabis and my illness CVS, or lack of a link should I say. All I do is ask questions about peoples symptoms who claim to suffer from CHS....I dont need the help. My CVS Doctor helps me all I require.
My frustration comes completely from people who do not respond to further questions and just post once about how they have CHS, how it has ruined their life but now they are fully recovered. I dont want to debate what they are saying, I just want to learn more. Again, my frustration comes when people dont want to elaborate. I am a genuinely nice person and willing to discuss anything in an adult manner.. Anyone who has read my posts will see that.
You are right though, it is a massive rucksack and one I dont need to carry anymore. Life is too short and I am fed up of looking :) Thanks
I'm back...It takes me forever to type or I would have so much to say....I will start by saying, I have been labeled a drug seeker in the past for going to the er to much, & having narcotics be the only thing that helped me....I will thrash around in bed with a horrible stomach ache, throwing up, going from bed to shower for days...when I finally go to the hospital my BP is around 180/120, & I am very dehydrated....I am at that point deadly ill...the last 3 times I had a bout with this, they tested me for THC without my permission, ( I live in NYS) & told me it was my own fault that I was sick.....I figure that the next step, is that I go into a national data base as a drug seeker & I will never get the help that I need....I have so many stories!...I wish that I could type!....Another symptom that I have is what I call thought loops.....A sentence, song lyric, or just a thought, will run through my head for what seems like hours....There are songs that I will never listen to again because of it....I will write more...I am very glad for this post
ruck sack, not rug sack, I nearly got it....
I don't think fishing would be a proper pastime for you :D
hope it takes some weight of your shoulders... you could also just throw some things out of the ruck sack and/or not carry it around too often... oh god, this is getting too philosophical.
my two cents...
CVS vs. CHS = either a sudden toxification or a mindbody-disorder (TMS). I can't rule out one of the two...
I suppose that a lot of CVS sufferers have been screened for every possible toxin (??) Stopping cannabis often in time takes away the CHS. You could see this as taking away the toxin, but also as taking away the mind-messer.... the fact that it is said to take numerous years of heavy smoking to get CHS would point to a sudden intoxication reaction to a substance that wasn't toxic before, which is not totally uncommon (my father suddenly experienced ibuprofen toxification after years of use). It could also be that it takes time to mess up the mind sufficiently to start physical discomfort (belly ache, back ache, CHS(=CVS?...).
Frankly I just don't know and I think we can only hope and wait for a doctor or really smart person experiencing a eureka-moment.
I just had one (eureka-moment)... The TMS book tells me that I am supposed to write down things that bother me or put pressure me. Instead my unconscious is clearly doing its best to distract me by visiting forums, watch television or play games.... so I'll end my post here and get to work :)
Wish you all the best and take care
Hiya jmc,
Thanks or replying and sorry to hear what your going through. It does sound very familiar though.
As I said before, have you considered cyclic vomiting? Have a read up and see if your symptoms are at all similar and if not, how do they differ? Two reasons for this really, first is selfish and to see if you symptoms are similar to mine and other CVS patients, the 2nd reason and probably the most important for you, if it is CVS type symptoms there is treatment available which is documented to help 50-70% of sufferers and I really think is worth a try.
Ofcourse, ignore me if your symptoms dont match CVS and you believe it is solely caused by cannabis, I really am only trying to help.
Those thought loops. Ive never had a name for them before but I totally know what you mean. I can have the same thing looping in my mind for hours during my CVS attacks. I always thought it was down to the medication I take but maybe not then!
Like i said, if your symptoms are similar to CVS please make your way to their message board and share your story on there. Not only might you help someone, you might also find some treatment that may make things easier. That being said though, if your illness is cannabis caused, unfortunately there is only one thing you need to do!
@megAgam - thanks for your reply, I am not going to lie, I havent had chance to read up on TMS but I will do. Thanks aswell for understanding my frustration........I really am not an ar**hole lol