suboxone withdrawal: how long is this going to last...I'm mi

Thanks for your post. Today is 2 months clear of 4mg sub, down from 8 mg/day.On it for 5 yrs. from just a habit from pain killers for bad back and then gout. Never H or methadone. I did not taper, just decided to not pick up my new RX as I travel a lot and was sick of being tied to this monthly c**p. Boy I kept that prescription at the pharmacy for 3 weeks until I knew I could beat this It has been a bear, just the last few days feeling marginally OK. But the lethargy is still ruling the day. I have tried all kinds of vitamens, but really to no avail. I too have noticed one weird thing. Since jumping off, I have noticed my vision is worse- strange. Also, the slight depresion and very fragile emotional system. This drug, and now my MD agrees with me, should not be prescribed to people with anything less than a major opiate problem, and even then one should taper down to 2- 4 mg/day. I was told out of over 1000 patients he has with suboxone, only 2 have sucessfully quit. That's a vey wicked drug indeed

A.L.

I'm on day 25 of no suboxone, dropping off from 1mg, and i still have withdrawals. First week was mostly physical, 2nd week a combination of physical and mental, third week more mental than physical, but still dealing with fatigue, mental depression/disinterest, ect. 

Just to give an update on my Detox... I'm on week 4 (1 month).  I'm still using Kratom, but only about 2-3 grams a day.  I realize that I'm flirting with the devil, but I need to make it through my day at work (sitting on a computer for 9 hours publishing books).  So my brain needs to be functioning! 

Like a previous post said at this stage; Most of the physical WD symptoms are gone.  There will be RLS here and there, and still have the runs, but now its mainly fatigue and depression.  Its hard to get motivated.  The morning might be good, but then around noon, all my energy leaves.  And I nearly pass out at my desk. 

I found The Thomas Recipe (stuff you can buy over the counter to help with WD symptoms) online, and I made my own version of it.  And it helped a little.

What I did was experiment with the Vitamins and Over The Counter herbs.  I have been using htp-5.  Which helped a lot for a couple days.  I also tried L-Tyrosine w/ Vitamin B-6 (helps with absorption of the Amino Acids).  L-Tyrosine seems to knock me out, where HTP-5 did give me energy.  I also took them at the same time (needs to be on an empty stomach).  And it helped with energy for one day.  However, now they dont seem to be doing much for me.  Most people however find that L-Tyrosine wakes them up, but I think I had plenty of Dopamine in my brain and its why HTP-5 worked for a couple days (had low levels of Serotonin).  I mention this because on many other forums such as "Social Anxiety", you may see that the oposite worked for many peoples.  But I want you to know that it may work backwards for you (Opiates knock down your serotonin) should you decide to do your own experiments when you get fatigued.  You just have to give it a go and try things out.  I recommend only buying small bottles until you know that it's doing something for you.  I was stupid and bought huge bottles, and have no use for them anymore.  

I also got Phenibut.  Its like a Benzo powder that you can buy online.  If you use this, make sure you read up on it.  It has lots of side effects and can become dangerous.  Phenibut helps with anxiety.  Although, it makes me feel burnt, as though I smoke a bunch of bud hours before.  It really just made me cloudy and weird.  It's known to be very addicting.  So I'm no longer using this,  Unless I need it for some reason down the road (never really been a benzo person).  LOVE THE OPIATES THOUGH ;-)

The thing that has helped me the most is the Kratom.  Although I felt "High" twice, it's not strong enough for me to really do much more; anymore.  Kratom is like a 3.5 codine.  WEAK!  But it does help with WD symptoms.  Also, if you have the money, I would recommend getting Ultra Enhanced Indo (aka UEI) along with Premium Powdered Bali. And dump the gram or two you buy and put it in the Bali.  This will help make the bali stronger (you can get more out of it with taking less, bc its hard to get down the hatch). I dont want to promote vendors but I'll give you a hint on which place I found to be the best stuff thus far "BB Botanical".  And only take enough to ease the symptoms.  You dont want to become dependent on it.  And should you ever, the less your taking daily, the easier it will be to wean off.  I took a day off from Kratom just to see if I would experience WD, and the only WD symptoms I was feeling was the Suboxone.  I can tell because they are different.  And Suboxone WD is unique in its own. 

After 4 weeks, things are not over. I wish they were, but their not.  Depression and fatique are horrible in their own.  Esp if you have to function at work.  And I can't seem to find enough Caffiene in the world to wake me up.  Only Kratom seems to help. I hope that after this batch of kratom (going to the beach for a week) I'll come back rejuvenated from being in the ocean/sun. 

If you dont have a beach, go to a pool.  It will help your RLS.  And exercise has helped boost energy short term too.   If you have any questions PM me, and I'm more than happy to help with what I can....

All the love (sometimes) of the day ;-) , my 2 cents.

This is about Suboxone. Many of us dont know Methadone WD, and for good reasons. And just because you have something horrid to compare Sub WD too, does not mean that everyone else does. I've gone through many different WD and none of them are fun! Certainly doesn't make you or myself a better person.

Hello,  everyone! I just want you to know that I am on day 4 of no subs and for the most part I feel great.  I do have leg cramps at night which suck and a hard time falling and staying asleep. However, for the most part I feel good. I will give a little history, I started on subs in June of 2010, on 8mg a day for a year and then for the last year my dose was decreased by 2mg every three month. The doc told me that there will be less withdrawals doing it this way verses completely stopping it.  I think you have to want so bad in your mind to be clean off everything for the withdrawals to be less.  I am not saying that they are not there I am only saying that I just finished by last round of 2mg subs and it has been four days and I am getting my energy back, I go run, train my clients at the gym, exercise and that helps a lot with leg cramp.  My motivation is not wide open but I make my self get up and once I do then all is well.  My withdrawal symptoms started for example, my last dose was on a Saturday and then on Sunday night my legs cramped so bad, I was up and moving back and forth between my bed and the couch until 430 in the morning. The second night the same thing happened but not as severe, the same for the third but not as severe. Finally, last night I went to sleep and woke up only 1 time around 5am needing to stretch my legs. So it does get easier but for each person it is all about your will and your want to be clean.

i was on it for 2 years and the withdrawl wasnt pretty, it was by far worse than any narcotic withdrawl, ive been off for 1 month now, and i still feel the tiredness, fatigue, and depression, i wonder if it will ever end, suboxone is dangerous, GET OFF NOW before its too late, cause i did some hardcore research on it. A month clean and some days i wake up feeling fine all day and other days the withdrawal will creep up on me and it aint pleasant. thats how its been ever since after the first 10 days wich are the worst. Now im not trying to scare anyone here but im just being real, hope you guys make it thru and stay strong and motivated, you can do this, we the human race are capable of withstanding hard times, just ask GOD for help cause he is the only one who helped me through this and is the only one who can help you, so call on the almighty all powerful, peace everyone.

It has been a while since I commented. I have been off of sub for over 3 months now! The first few weeks were horrible! (I was on sub for years) After one week of sub withdrawls, I ended up in the hospital for severe dehydration, and kidney problems. I could not keep anything down for days... but I will tell you this, it does get better... and better... and better... Now I can go through my day, and not even think of pills, sub, or anything that was part of my life for 20 years. I have some PAWS but it is totally bearable!  But the first month is hard. no sugar coating it... just hang in there! I give you my word, it will get better! (I am a 20 year dependent survivor of vics, oxy, 6 years of methadone, and other chemicals)

Please I beg of you from the bottom of my soul. I have tried everything to quit heroin with suboxone, methadone, detoxes, expensive rehabs , long term rehabs . Only using certains drugs, just the weekends e.t.c I have have also stayed clean for substantial amounts of time.. But was never happy...as Corny and lame as this sounds the only thing that eradicated the strong grip thaty addiction had over my mind, body z& being was from actually working and doing the 12 steps. Not just going to meeting but getting a sponsor and letting him take you through the 12 steps. Hanging out with sober people from the meetings. If have amazing friends we go into the city, party, go out and eat, go on vacation all typed of sh*t, I still keep some old friends not anyone who gets high on opiates: as crazy as this sh*t sounds , working AA' ls twelve steps . It really is a fucken miracle, to be free from the obcession to use and be happy. I thought I was fucken done, that I would never have happy again, I'd always feel off.. All the drugs I did, I thought I permanatly damaged my brain and I would never be happy. I owe AA my life ! I was fucken useless junky shooting dope, coke sometimes, smoking weed pretty much everyday. When I got clean I was just never truly happy . There was always this hole when I got clean which led me to always relapse . Through working the 12 steps of AA I am f*****g truly happy , nor do I have obcession to use. The fact I am clean in my eyes is a miracle; and That I'm happy and have have high self esteem. I'm back in school with 3.5 Gpa working full time. I'm going out with a lot of woma. Because I have confident that I nevr have. I cannot explain living the 12 steps of AA Has given me a new freedom which is unfathomable. I implore you to give AA a shot. I really can't explain it. Good luck in your journey against this fucken beast of addiction . There is a way out but the key inside .i love you my brother of addiction. I pray that god takes your side of this Great war we fight within. Carpet diem

This is how I'm feeling my doctor said it wouldn't be to hard butbthis whit sux

I have read every single post on this page. Numerous times even. I had been on suboxone since march of this year. If I hadn't asked the doctor to start bringing me down in doses, he probably would have kept me at the dose I started at; 1 1/2 strips. It may not seem like much, but really you only need 1/2 a strip to subside the withdrawal feeling. Do not stay on this stuff. Get off, and get over it. I know everyone says to keep yourself busy, which is true. Definitely take time off from work if you can, but DO NOT use opiates to come off this. You will only be setting yourself back. That means no benzos either. Why trade one for another? I am now on day 15, and in the clear. I was reading on here around day 13 and I was still feeling like complete garbage. I do believe after 2 weeks, it's just in your head. Hey, guess what? Life sucks sometimes. It's normal to feel that way so you have to just suck it up. Since I jumped from 4mg, I don't know that tapering down really makes it any better. You got yourself into this mess, get yourself out. The only way you will quit and stick with it is if you've told yourself "I'm not doing this ever ever again, this feeling sucks, I can't go back to square one, life is going to be awesome". I KNOW it feels like it will never get better, and like I've said, I've read alllllll these posts and it made me more depressed than anything. But hey! I'm on day 15 and I feel totally fine. Sure, restless legs, and I don't wanna go to work, but who really does? Haha. It'll be better, I promise!!

hi,i read your post.good thing that you havnt been on it very long.i went a week and couldnt handle it anymore.i started using again,but only to help with the withdrawels.i had to buy a fiew perks a day to maintain..i was really depressed,and very close to suicide.ive been on 24mg. for 2 years,then went down to 16mg a day.2 subs a day.it was crazy.i could break a 5 mg. perk up and do half of it,and my pain and dts started going away.i could feel the relief almost instant.then i broke down and found another sub dr..the dts were worse than anything i ever have went threw..believe that....so.i got another dr. and now im on 1 a day.sometimes i only take half of it,but i dont get the relief i need to work,which is concrete,flat work soecialist,and form carpenter.hard work anyways..i wish i could get off it.im dependant on it.its the first thing i do when i get up.i couldnt sleep..it really messes with your emotions,bad.anyways..i want off,but know what i went threw,and i told my councelor im gonna have to put myself in rehab or something next time i get off it..id suggest getting off.its a WICKID drug.straight from hell..its a miracle drug when your on it,or so you think.till you try to get off it..it should be taken off the pharmacudical list.should be banned.and oh ya..methadone is nothing compared to coming off subs.i actuially heard from my dr.that people can withdraw off it for a year.evrybody is diffrent.i think it depends on how long you been on it and how much.i wouldnt wish it on my worst enemy..i hope you make it...i couldnt....

I no how u feel I took one over 2 wks ago but I've been taken a half for 2 yrs and I wonder the same thing how long is this gonna last just keep thinking positive I don't no what normal is like but I would sure like to find out

Hello my name is brandy i too was addicted to pain killers.I broke my foot then the b/s started.Because ur docters bk when would give anything to anybody.Now u can't get something even if u in the hospital w/ two crushed ankles and a rt crushed wrist.They left her on the hospital table and said it's against the law now to give pain meds until the dr. comes in too the room.HELLO!!Ok anyway i started the suboxone about 1 year and a half ago.I was so scared of the withdrawals but u know if people would just understand it's all in ur head.You can control it.Because now when u go to get the suboxone u r now entering a long long process that could of been avoided;but their are people who don't think they have this ability to control their urges.The urges and the pain u feel everyday is there.I am the type of person who thinks and really really pays attention to everything.So i like to feel what my body does or feels as i started the suboxone and when i stopped the suboxone which in fact i stopped the suboxone like about two or three weeks idk i can't remember lol.I started out taking suboxone on Apirl 24, 2011.When i had to stop which i was set in my mind that i was going to stop.I wasn't going to keep on just making excuses on why i needed to keep taking it.Because when u r taking the opiates ur life and ur brain just is taken over.But y'all already know this. LOL !!Ok i had to stop taking the suboxone b/c my insurance would not approve me any more visits.So my dr. had been thankfully lowering my dosages.When i had my last appointment that prescription had to last me and my husband to be able to keep on lowering the dosage.Now i'm talking really lowering;if u r taking the strips which that is what i was used to taking.We had to cut the strips in sections and every day for about two mths. i think i just kept on cutting till i had a tiny lil-piece the size of a piece of small convetti.ok and when it became the time that i was going to run out i mentally tried preparing myself.That u r getting off this medicine u can't get anymore u don't need it anymore.But w/ me u can say those things all day long.But when i did my last lil-piece the next day wasn't that bad.But the next two weeks or so has been hell.But what i'm really trying to do is let people know if u decide to stop please just get enoungh strips or whatever u r taking and gradually take smaller and smaller doses.The dr. says we only have 2mg and 8mg strips for dosing well they take u down by mg ok so if u gradually take the strips and cut them in lil lines sideways and for about a week at a time take that lil dose because at this point ur dr. hopefully has gotton u down to a comfortable dose.If they have not i could suggest other that u would not have to just deal w/ the high dosage withdrawals.But i cannot here.LOL I just want to say that i have been there and if u r in ur mind ready to stop like i was then there r ways u can do this even if u cannot go bk. to the dr. like i couldn't.So in conclusion this medicine might help alot of people.But to use this medicine as a cover up to taking the freaking terrilbe opiates.For people to get hooked on the pain meds. or any adddictive drugs this suboxone that the FDA has come up w/ is just another cover up and money scam.T ***this post is edited by moderator *** *** private e-mails not allowed*** Please read our Terms of Use

 

I've read that the depression and PAWS from suboxone/subutex/buprenorphine and buprenex loasts for forever if not 10 years?

i have been tapering down for a month i was on 3 8mgs a day im afraid to take the last step i heard it can take up to two weeks to withdrawal