suboxone withdrawal: how long is this going to last...I'm mi

Bottom line is, there is no easy way out. Everyone turns to sub because they're looking for that easy oht, but it doesn't exist. To beat it, you have to get it in your head that you're the baddest ass mofa that ever walked. If everyone else has done it, so cab you. Good luck, its worth it!

Well said. I turned to drugs because everything had to be immediate and easy. When I started recovery I wanted it to be the same but it wasn't. It's in our nature to give up and give in. Stay strong.

Today is day 15 I have done this before his time around I was taking 24 mg aday sub and today I am in hell!!!!!!!!!! I went down from 24 to 4 mg maybe 2 for 2 weeks I did it by taking this steroid first 1-6 days I took robaxin n nuerontin, flector patches 6-13 and then somas and Xanax for 6 days, I am on nothing now I still feel like death is easier... I have done this before stayed clean for 2 yrs I do not know the day you will wake up and feel like your heart isn't in your mouth or you will melt if you walk outside or relief would be someone hitting your muscles n spine with a bat.. But it does end, it will end, we get to decide how that will be I know when your in thus kind of pain it does not feel like a choice but try not to make any

You're going to be okay. I was on 24mg of Subs a day, and 5mg of Klonopin for 15 years. I'm on day 70 and things are much better. I am still taking Clonidine and Vistaril. I know what you're going through and for what it's worth, it will get better. Week 3 was a good week for me. I had noticeable improvement. It's different for every one but you're going to be okay. If there's one thing that got me through these days was thinking that I don't ever want to have to start back from square 1 again and go through all the days of agony again. Stay strong. Fight the urge to self-medicate with Benzos or anything else. Anything you can stay off of will only help you more in the long run. Good luck. Try to talk it out because it helps. If you can - go to a meeting because you'll find support.

Bottom line is whoever wants to get clean and live a normal fulfilling drug addict free life, needs to suck it up and just deal with the pain and problems that come along with withdrawal. If you want to continue being a drug addict and get high daily to feel normal and not sick b/ c ur afraid of withdrawing then be my guest. But each day u continue using just ruins your mind and body even more. We weren't created to be drug addicts and get high in a daily basis to forget about everything and our problems. The linger u use, the more damage u do to ur brain receptors which will make life hard to live and it'll be extremely hard to live and feel life as intended. Once ur clean ull look back at how weak and pathetic Uve been. Yes it's hard to quit but anyone who can't do it and co scantly relapses even if they know they want to quit, probably isn't going to do much in life anyways bc they are too weak to help themselves. Suck it up! And get clean. PERIOD!

Oh and I was an addict for 3 years. I decided one day I was done subs and opiates and I quit. Yes it hurt n was uncomfortable. Very painful. But I was strong enough to know I didn't want to be a pathetic addict and live a sub par life anymore. The withdrawal lasted about 8-10 days. The the mental/emotional sensitivity lasted about 2 weeks.

I took 100-150 mg of 5HTP for a positive mood. 1500 mg of vitamin C. A multi vitamin. L-tyrosine for energy and repairing the neuro transmitters in my brain. Fish oils for heart n brain health. Ginkgo for healthy brain function. Protein shake for food, amino acids and body repair. Lastly, amino acid powdered mix for energy and brain repair. **all these vitamins, amino acids and herbs are proven to heal and shorten recovery time. Use them! Also, for the first week (minimum) sit in the sauna or steam room for about 15 mins a day. It'll be tough but force yourself to go and I promise u will sweat out all the toxins immediately. Ull feel great instantly!

Most importantly, don't give up and suck it up!

I second alot of what Future222 is saying!!! I have been on suboxone for almost 2 years after a 1 year addiction to Oxys. I tapered down to a quarter of the sublingual strip and then planned/prepared a regimin of vitamins, herbs and work-out sessions and just set a day and "jumped". The vitamins and herbs all mentioned by Future were on my regimin however there was one additional botanical herb not mentioned that I believe played a key role in the minimal withdrawels that I experienced...and I mean my withdrawels were "MINIMAL" This botanical herb is called "Kratom". Like everyone else I did alot of research on "how to get off suboxone without feeling the horrific pains of withdrawal" and I finally found information about this unbelievable herb. It is important to know that there is a chance of "dependancy" on Kratom so its best to only use it for the first couple of days after quiting suboxone but from my experience it was a quick path to success. IMPORTANT to point out though that I stayed commited to my regimin of supplements and exercise schedule and this I believe also played a big part in my success. You can search Kratom on the internet and learn alot about it..... I want to express again that I only used Kratom for a couple of days. I brewed it into tea, added a little sugar and it tasted horrible but the results were amazing! I purchased both crushed leaf bali AND the bali powder and when I brewed my tea I mixed them together. As I said before from my research Kratom can create dependancy so be wise with its use. I believe it to be possible that in the future if I have a really bad day I might brew up a small cup of kratom tea but I have learned from Oxys and Subs that more than a day or two can be too much and create dependancy. Bouncing Bear Botanicals is where I purchased my Kratom. It seems as though the government might ban this herb in the future though. I read that Bouncing Bear got into some trouble for selling different exotic herbs but the case was dismissed. Anyway, this worked for me along with all the vitamins and herbs that Future222 mentioned and a daily exercise routine.... Vitamins and herbs were made by our creator and intended for our use for good health. I am feeling better and better everyday... Its only been a few weeks for me but I am thinking normal, my mood is level, I am working semi-hard dailly at my company and im only experiencing some mild anxiety at times but I am "LOOKING FORWARD" and will not look back.. Good luck to all! God Bless!

Hey, Thank you to everyone who has written in this post, I'm on day 11 of no suboxone, and I am feeling much better. Well, better than I did on day 2 and 3 anyway. My legs are still achy and restless, stomach is a bit "off", and I still can't decide whether or not I feel energetic or lazy. I think the mind/emotional stuff is worse than the physical part of w/d's. These posts have given me a lot of ideas on what to do to get temporary relief from the symptoms, and I just want to say thanks again. I smoked alot of weed, and kept my heating pad on my legs at night (one with an auto-shut off), and that let me sleep just like I normally would. My opinion of suboxone has changed dramatically, I used to think it was a miracle drug, now I see it for what it is. A way to put off the inevitable wd's. My doctors were never able to answer me on what the wd's would be like, because they'd never had a client willingly quit subs before. I'm happy to be their first :-) and happy not to have to be drug tested twice a week anymore, and even more happy that I'm not at the pharmacy every morning at 9:05am, give or take a few minutes. It's totally worth the discomfort of wd's to have freedom from subs. I found it helpful to also remind myself very often that my only priority right now is to take care of myself, it helped ease the anxiety anyway, and it's true! Positive self-talk does help. Don't let your mind tell you that you'll never feel better, that's a one way ticket to the dope man's house! For me it is anyway. Good luck everybody, and thank you all for sharing you're experience.

You make two good points here.



1) Suboxone is a way to temporarily put off withdrawal symptoms - This is very true. When I first started at my pain/sub doctor 5 years ago, he was getting most of his patients for pain management. He had one small office and 1 part-time doc. 5 years later, they now have 5 locations around the city and almost a dozen doctors. It's a money-making racket. In 4 years of being on subs, they never once tried to taper me until insurance would not cover 24mgs a day. They pulled me down to 12mg.



I think that there are people that will have success with suboxone but I'm not one of them. Suboxone is a self-proclaimed maintenance drug. IMO , it's very potent and though you aren't 'high' necessarily, you're definitely impaired. I used to fall asleep while my wife was talking and she would hate it.



2) It's mostly mental and not physical - It took me months to realize this. I had all the withdrawal symptoms but I knew that if I wanted to get ANY sleep, I had to get a grip on myself. It's been challenging but I agree that a lot of this disease is up in your head.

Hi everyone,

... MY NAME IS Misty.... And I am an addict... ;) light hearted joke.  Considering I am on day 16 of suboxone detox, being able to be lighthearted and tell a joke is an accomplishment in it's self.  When I started my detox Sept 25th, 2012, I was so sick and so completely destroyed by this medication I sought ANYTHING that would give me hope.  I landed here and started reading.  Post after post I read... "I'm on day 22 and no relief" "when will this end" "it has been a month and I'm still in bed and can't work".  It was so depressing to read that I had to shut the iPad and roll back into bed and cry (some more).  I later posted a reply with so e suggestions.  Part of them were from "Thomas' Suboxone detox recipe". While I would like thank Thomas, who and where ever he may be.... I have so e more insight that may give you HOPE, rather than have you roll over like I did and cry thinking there is no life after suboxone.  Through A LOT of research and ONE good doctor, I feel I can offer some more advice and help to anyone who is 1) detoxing  or 2) currently taking Suboxone. 

1) Please, if you are reading this you have a computer.  Please wiki a few things... A) Naloxone (the other stuff they mix with the bupinorphine (sp) that make "suboxone". B) Akathsia 

why you must be asking? Well, I like many of you have detoxed everything from heroin, methadone, norco, you name it.  Suboxone was by far the worst detox and more importantly the LONGEST detox I have ever gone through. (And am still going through).  What helped me was to understand what was causing my body to act this way and what was going on in my brain.  

Understanding THIS was absolutely critical to getting me to where I am today.  I did not relapse, go back to heroin (as my detox doctor said I would - mind you I had been clean from heroin for 12 years.  I attribute this to a number of things. 1) I had the support a SOBER person.  A person who has never been addicted, a person who was ignorant, for lack of a better word to what I was wheeling.  This helps because though they hear you, they cannot facilitate or make you feel worse by "understanding" what you are feeling.  A person who will drag you out of bed and put you in the shower and wash you and make you walk around the block.  Yes, a whole block.  I am professional athlete.  To not be able to put one foot in front of the other was devastating for me.  The day before I started detox I was squatting 135 pounds. At that time my weight was 112.  After 16 days I have lost 15 pounds.  Yes, I feel like skin and bones.  

I started to take any all advice that was given on vitamins and supplements.  For the first 5 days or so I was a living being only by drinking a glass of raw colostrum mixed with whey powder and a banana that I was literally forcing myself to choke down.  I realize now how much that helped me.  

Part of the Thomas recipe is l-tyrosine.  I took it, in spades.  I took the pills. The Whey powder is full of it and so are other dairy products.  If you Ae lactose intolerant, drink RAW milk.  It has lactase that will take care of digesting the lactose for you. 

I was on a steady regimen of raw milk, whey powder (weight gainer colostrum raw colostrum, Advil, flexeril, klonapin, b12, melatonin , and anything else I could cram down my throat to stay alive.  Yes... It IS "that" bad.  I don't down play what ANY of you are going through.  By day 5 I would have rather been dead than alive in my own body.  After 2 weeks started the feelings of "this is never going to end", "I've screwed up my brain for life", "I'd rather be dead" "I wish I had just detox from..." Everything you have all said and felt.  It seemed the symptoms just were not ever going to end.  The ONLY thing I was spared was the lack of sleep. I attribute this to sex.  Yeah, I know... Like you really feel like doing that, right? Your brain at this moment is unable to make it's own dopamine.  There are 4 ways to get your brain to do it.... All of which you'd rather not do right now.... EAT, EXERCISE, SEX, LOVE.  These four thing cause a release of dopamine and each night before I tried to sleep, yes, I had sex. Thankfully with a person I love - double good! I fell asleep each night and managed to stay asleep, even through the dreams, so vivid and real to me.  But I slept.  

After 2 weeks of really no peace and little improvement I noticed was starting to "detach" from my body, my family and reality.  In researching not SUBOXONE, but NALOXONE I stumbled across an article explaining that naloxone was used to treat.... Big word here... Depersonalization disorder.  I'm guessing most of us here are pretty drug savvy.  For example... Klonapin is not made to treat anxiety. It is an anti-seizure medication.... STAY WITH ME.....  For a lot of us, long term use of any benzo will cause seizure during Withdrawal.  I am one of those unfortunate souls.  Now, bearing that in mind... If benzodiazepines cause a rebound effect of what the medication was made to treat... What might NALOXONE cause as a rebound? Please take a minute to look up depersonalization disorder and see if you feel like I did when you read it.  Then take a minute to look up akathsia.  Combine these two things, add withdrawal and tell me.... IS THIS YOU? I'm betting my house on it.  

In my research I was surprised to find that klonapin was one drug used to treat akathsia.  Thank any or no god you'd like that I had a script for them for 5 years and about 120 left in the medicine cabinet.  They probably kept Myers from eating a bullet during week 1 and 2.  I also happened to have neurotin (gabapentin) from a previous detox under the sink.... And guess what medication is used to treat both depersonalization and akathsia? That's right.  

On day 15, I was able to get up, at least and get my kids from school and attempt to walk the dog and try, though it seemed like climbing mt. Everest to make dinner and do some house work.  I was also able to reach out to my sister by phone.  A phone I have feared picking up for years.  

She happened to be at her doctor when I called.  There was a 3 way phone conversation in which her GOOD doctor explained what I was going through was NOT suboxone withdrawals alone, but a combination of 3 disorders at once.  Akathsia, which is a clear and documented side effect of dopamine antagonist drugs... Suboxone.  Combined with depersonalization disorder, a side effect of the naloxone part of suboxone. As well as some residual withdrawal from the opiate part of the suboxone.  And why so long? Because bupinorphine is actually much higher up on the opiate ladder then most of us have been told by our "doctors".  Bupinorphine is in fact a higher form of synthetic heroin.  Longer acting and I think it's safe all say we all agree MUCH harder to kick than anything we have kicked before.  I was praying to a god I don't know for a heroin detox over the suboxone.

STAY WITH ME.....

I hung up the phone, took 400mg of neurotin, took my daily dose of klonapin and walked to pick up my kids from school.  With in an hour of getting home I was sleeping (at 3pm) on the couch.... And a damn good sleep too! When I woke up, making dinner was no longer a climb up mt. Everest.  I got up, kissed my husband as he walked in the door, and proceeded to (quite lively) tell him about my day while I was making spaghetti - though far from the garden fresh dinners I used to make... It was progress.  And I felt "ok".  Certainly not "all better", but hell, I was making dinner! My kids were even happy to see mommy joking and smiling and not screaming about how horrid the world was.  

I stuck with my usual regimen of supplements before bed, but added 200mg of neurontin, and didn't not feel guilty for taking my dose if klonapin.  I had sex as usual and fell asleep for 6 hours or until the alarm clock went off.  In the morning, I had a slight headache in my eye, was a bit more groggy than usual, but MY SKIN WAS NOT ON FIRE! Not a goosebump to be found and my brain was calmed of all of the rage and anger and deep deep depression I had been going through.  

I am far from finished.  In all of my reading and asking doctors, there is no answer for whether or not akathsia will ever go away.  But it IS treatable.  What the doctors are not telling you, is that suboxone is NOT a drug that made to be taken on a lifetime or long term basis.  If you are lifer and you know it..... Stick with methadone.  It doesn't leave your brain with these horrid side effects.  

Today, day 16.... My stomach is still a wreck.... But I actually FEEL hungry.  A sign my brain is starting to work.  Feeling anything at all is promising, as I'm sure you understand.  

I took a shower, and actually stayed standing up all the way through! I'm fighting that eye headache, and I feel like a train hit me.... 15 pounds of pure muscle loss takes its toll, again I am a pro athlete.  I am weak.... But mentally I am present, lucid and hell.... Maybe even rational? 

If you have stayed with me thing long.... Here is a list or as "Thomas" put it... A recipe.... I AM ALIVE AND DID NOT RELAPSE AND DON'T FEEL LIKE I WANT OR NEED TO.  I WANT TO LIVE MY LIFE AGAIN AND YES!!!!!! THERE IS HOPE AND THERE IS LIFE AFTER SUBOXONE!!!!!!!

1) if you know you are a "lifer" get off suboxone while you still can and go to methadone.  The naloxone is what is going to change your Brian's structure.

2) Thomas' recipe is almost right on the money for treating the detox from the bupinorphine. Read it... Or.... Its basically, L-tyrosine, Imodium, and b12.  Where this falls short (and this just MY experience ) you need a bit more than this.  You need ALL of the amino acids, they help your brain work.  Go get so e weight gainer, muscle milk is great, Costco whey powder is perfect, any high calorie WHEY based weight gainer.  Choke it down and READ what is in it while you do.  Every single amino acid your body needs, especially right NOW! 

3) You absolutely have to eat.  First because it will make you weak and more sick if you don't and second because all of these Marino's you need are better absorbed as food then in pill form.  Milk, milk milk.... I can not stress this enough.  There is a reason WHEY powder is a key ingredient here.  

4) You absolutely MUST get up and walk! Your skin will stop crawling as long as you are moving.  And while you are up.... Go ahead and get yourself to any MD you can trust and explain in truth what you are going through.  Ask for klonapin and neurontin.  You can easily explain why you need them with "depersonalization disorder combined with akathsia and detox.  These are VERY real symptoms of what you are going through.  IT HELPS!!!! I PROMISE YOU IT DOES!!!!!! The first time you take 400mg of neurontin might be the first time you've fallen asleep on the couch for months! Yes MONTHS! Akathsia is not always a temporary side effect of withdrawal, it could be a life time, so treat it! So you can live again! 

5) sex.... Releases dopamine my friends, I swear to it.... Look it up.

if you are reading this one day 10 or 12 or 39 and you have no hope left and are about to go back for you suboxone... DONT!!! 

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i will try to help you as best I can.... Even if all I can do is promise you that there IS life after suboxone.  

Suboxone is NOT made for long term use.  Years of being on it and you WILL have akathsia and you will have depersonalization disorder.  Get off it QUICK!!!! Having these two things is worse than being sentenced to life in prison.  You will be a prisoner in your own body and you will feel allergic to your skin forever.  STOP THE SUBOXONE ASAP!!!!!!! The best treatment they have for the above 2 conditions is actually.... "Preventative".  I know... That scared me too.  

I am living breathing proof that these symptoms can be treated with medication.  Yesterday morning I didn't care if I lived or died.  It really made no difference to me.  1mg klonapin, 400 mg neurontin, one spaghetti dinner and my usual night time, melatonin, L-tyrosine, flexerand and Advil and I SWEAR to you.... TODAY I AM ALIVE AGAIN!!!!! I feel hungry! My body has been starved.  I have 100 things that I need to get done.... I won't get to all of them.  I may just hang up the laundry.... But WRITING THIS was more important.  PRINT IT OUT AND TAKE IT TO A DOCTOR.

Heal your body with FOOD. Calories! Dairy, Whey, weight gainer.... Spaghetti? 

Get up! If you move your skin will stop crawling.... See akathsia 

and get to a REAL doctor (I pray not the one that did this to me) the medical board is dealing with him. And ask for klonapin, not Ativan,  not Valium.... Klonapin! And neurontin.  You can take upto 3600mg per day of neurontin UNDER A DOCTOR'S CARE FOLKS!!! I took a whole 600mg yesterday (hardly any) and I'm telling you I SEE THE LIGHT AT THE END OF THIS TORTURE!!!!!!!

like I said earlier.... By midweek I was praying for a heroin detox over the torture of suboxone.  After 2 weeks I was losing all hope! 

I simply put everything I had read, learned, and knew and called my sister.... She's a nurse with akathsia  btw..... And 400mg of neurontin later.... I can promise you THERE IS HOPE, THERE IS LIFE, AND YOU CAN FEEL BETTER and hell.... I venture to say... I will write again in a week and am positive that I will be telling you all that I made it through! 

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and btw.... So you all know I was no light weight.... From heroin to 110mg methadone.... Clean for 5 years, picked up a norco habit and went to 8/2 suboxones.  I took 14 days to ween down and then flushed it all.  Hard to say how much I was on when I jumped off, those strips are damn hard to measure.  From what I'm reading, it sounds to me that the detox is the same whether youre jumping off 30mgs of subs or .25mgs.  It is the NALOXONE that is killing your brain.  

There is hope and there is life my friends.  I promise!

best,

misty

 

 

Good post. Glad to hear that you're doing well. A few things that caught my eye. Klonopin is most certainly a popular drug for treating high anxiety. I really can't relate to Depersonalization disorder. It's too abstract for me. I can't say that I've ever had an out-of-body experience or felt that I was on the outside looking in. Interesting theory.

I spent 15 years on Klonopin and 4 years on Suboxone and have pretty strong feelings against both. That's not to say that they don't have their place because they certainly do. I don't believe in long term use of either and I think that many psychiatrists and "sub doctors" have no intention of tapering you off. It's a "long term maintenance" program and it exacerbates addiction. I'm 76 days out of detox and I'm still not well. It's long term benzo/sub withdrawal. I feel a lot better but I'm not there yet. I would advise anyone who thinks that they can tough it out to try to do so without adding in Benzos or Subs/Naloxone into their active recovery regimen. They are both powerfully addictive drugs. If you can get by on medicines like Clonidine, Vistaril, Magnesium, 5HTP, etc then go that route. Don't prolong the pain. On the other hand -if you feel like you're going to put a bullet in your head, then find some relief.

Good luck to all

I abused opiates, anything I could get my hands on, for about 3 solid years. Once I saw my boyfriend snap over cravings and hit me, I got away and realized this is a miserable way to live. I forgot what it was to feel like sober, when I stopped taking opiates, vics mostly, like 10 1,000 mg a day or more I couldn't move, headache, runny nose, bathroom problems, irritablity, just completely unfunctional miserable. I saw a doctor over and hour away from me for suboxone treatment and unlike all these doctors putting people on it for YEARS and way to high of dose...i started at 8mg 2x a day in july, aug down to 8mg a day but at this point I was already cutting them in half doing half a day, then moved me down to 3 2mg a day but I've been stock piling them because I was only taking 1 2mg every other day or sometimes skip 2 days! Well me and my stupid heart let boyfriend come back and what do you know stole and took over 40 2mg tabs within a week. LOL yep his withdrawls will be painful, but he don't wanna get clean like I do. And I AM. (Don't worry bf out forever this time cops called) but so needless to say I have been suboxone free for 3 days now and yesterday for about 3 hours was the worst, headache, lousy feeling peed prbly 5x during that 3hrs, but I drank a vernors and kept working. Yep I was at work. I read this all night thinking today would be the worst but I just feel lazy. No big deal cos its gross and raining neway but um I'M FINE. The people that prolong their time on suboxone are asking for more severe withdrawls, duh! If you truly wanted to get clean you would! Its ALL mind over matter. Best of luck to all you, don't let something or someone other than you and only you control your life. Get yr sh*t together and push on through!!! You can do it!!!

Hey guy, I am living proof of how long soboxone stays in the system. I have been in full withdraw for over 45 days now peroid. You stay one night with me and I will show how full of it I am. If you take it for a prolonged peroid of time and heavy dosage like I did. It builds up in you system, fat , bone marrow ETC. TRUST me it is a living hell and I wish I never got on it although it did get me off a 20 a day vicodin habit.

Everett wrote:

the truth wrote:

you are full of it..... go somewhere else to tell lies. I have known 100 ppl that have gotten off subs and not one of them feel like sh*t after the 30th day. I have known ppl that go 2 to 3 weeks feeling semi bad not horrible looks like another one of those sub doctors trying to flood the forum with scare tactics to me.

people break these clowns that have nothing better to do than to make good money off our misery

Hey guy, I am living proof of how long soboxone stays in the system. I have been in full withdraw for over 45 days now peroid. You stay one night with me and I will show how full of it I am. If you take it for a prolonged peroid of time and heavy dosage like I did. It builds up in you system, fat , bone marrow ETC. TRUST me it is a living hell and I wish I never got on it although it did get me off a 20 a day vicodin habit.

I agree.. I've been on suboxone for 7 years. I've been off of 6mg a day for 21 days now. few aches and pains. nothing severe. stay committed and nourish your body. more importantly ask God, better BEG God for relief it comes!! I'm loving proof. I feel better now than I have I'm years!!

boogiefoote wrote:

Everett wrote:

the truth wrote:

you are full of it..... go somewhere else to tell lies. I have known 100 ppl that have gotten off subs and not one of them feel like sh*t after the 30th day. I have known ppl that go 2 to 3 weeks feeling semi bad not horrible looks like another one of those sub doctors trying to flood the forum with scare tactics to me.

people break these clowns that have nothing better to do than to make good money off our misery

Hey guy, I am living proof of how long soboxone stays in the system. I have been in full withdraw for over 45 days now peroid. You stay one night with me and I will show how full of it I am. If you take it for a prolonged peroid of time and heavy dosage like I did. It builds up in you system, fat , bone marrow ETC. TRUST me it is a living hell and I wish I never got on it although it did get me off a 20 a day vicodin habit.

I agree.. I've been on suboxone for 7 years. I've been off of 6mg a day for 21 days now. few aches and pains. nothing severe. stay committed and nourish your body. more importantly ask God, better BEG God for relief it comes!! I'm loving proof. I feel better now than I have I'm years!!

Hey thank you, I do appreciate the response, Good for you I hope you have continued success which I am sure you will .

I'm not real sure what you mean about Naloxone being a detriment. It's meant as a deterrent for abuse. Suboxone has one additonal ingredient - naloxone HCI dyhydrate.



IMO, Naloxone is addictive as well. I've known quite a few people that have had better luck getting off of Subutex Some people say it's all in your head while others swear by switching to Subutex. Some say it has less side effects (depression, mood swings) but it varies.



I can only speak from personal experience. I've taken both and felt a little less lethargic on the subutex.