The key is to taper like he said down to almost nothing. Sniffing just about a few specks to trick your mind. But the key to it all is while your doing it, work out while your tapering down. Also while your tapering down replace it with Calming teas like chamamille, skullcap, and take 3 valarian root pills 4 times a day. Also take all the vitamin b's you can as well as protien shakes, with banannas and throw some peanut butter into the mix. So work out not to hard, and use the treadmill 30 minutes a day, for 3 weeks while you taper down. That is the key, because working out starts to regenerate the brains receptors causing your natural dopamine to develop back what the suboxone has taken. Trust me it works like a charm. In three weeks you'll feel like a million dollars.
Dear forum, The key is to taper like he said down to almost nothing. Sniffing just about a few specks to trick your mind. But the key to it all is while your doing it, work out while your tapering down. Also while your tapering down replace it with Calming teas like chamamille, skullcap, and take 3 valarian root pills 4 times a day. Also take all the vitamin b's you can as well as protien shakes, with banannas and throw some peanut butter into the mix. So work out not to hard, and use the treadmill 30 minutes a day, for 3 weeks while you taper down. That is the key, because working out starts to regenerate the brains receptors causing your natural dopamine to develop back what the suboxone has taken. Trust me it works like a charm. In three weeks you'll feel like a million dollars.
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i just back myself not to bad. if i just sit around i think to much. don't do that go for walk's. if you eve just stop taking it you are in for a real real hard time!!!!!!!! if you live in plattsburgh,ny?? dont go to the er for help!! they will not help you there at all!!, if you tell them you are going to kill yourself they say, oh really dan ?? prove it. i was having a very hard time in my life at that time anyhow, and cvfc, counseler's name was paul. he lied to the doctor. if you are ever in suboxone trouble in plattsburgh,ny get to another hospital for help,man do not go to plattsburgh hospital !!!!! they do not help. and not even for drug problems, it was an old woman, very sick and homeless,poor old woman sick,real sick, this made the paper here, they would not help her . do you want to move to plattsburgh,ny now ??
Actually I disagree abbout tapering I've been through sub wd twice. First time I tapered to doses to small to calculate was on for two years. I wanted to die! The tapering just leaves you in a semi wd mode for the entire time you get below 2mg or so daily.
Last time I was on subs for 5-6 months no tapering just quit from 12-16mg daily and very little wds.
Oh by the way first time with the hellish wd I tried everything benzos, clonidine, withdrawal ease. Nothing works but time.
The less time you take them the better or lesser your wd.
So I say don't stay on months longer weening. Time is the key.
Good luck.
Last time I was on subs for 5-6 months no tapering just quit from 12-16mg daily and very little wds.
Oh by the way first time with the hellish wd I tried everything benzos, clonidine, withdrawal ease. Nothing works but time.
The less time you take them the better or lesser your wd.
So I say don't stay on months longer weening. Time is the key.
Good luck.
Whats goin on. This is the beginning of day 5 of suboxone withdrawal for me. The past 4 days have been up and down but life is still manageable. You gotta pay the piper you know.. I was in a hell on earth a few years ago when I was livin that high life stressin each and every day about the next day and where my next fix is comin from. I told myself it was leave now or give up and forever hold your peace my spirit was so crushed. Well i couldnt give up now could I, its just not how I get down. So i caught the first train to Texas to go get right for good. Now I had tried suboxone once about 9 months before this time and i walked away from that experience thinking to myself.."yeah this doc tellin me hes gonna clean me up while he cleans me out. There are some doctors out there about their patient and there are some doctors out there about their money. Needless to say at this point i wanted to be completely chemically free and was willin to stand up to it armed with nothin but a strong will and new surroundings. By day 3 I was barely holding it together it seemed. A condition that certainly could not kill me yet make me wanna be dead all in the same sentence. Come what may though, I wanted this. The first thing I did was forced myself to eat. I would not let my body go malnourished at this time when I needed it working its best. Its difficult but you can do it. When I got that creepy crawly feeling with the anxiety to match I dropped to the floor and would just start doin pushups. I listened to music all the time, a therapy of its own unique qualitieis. And I kept busy, busy doin somethin anything to occupy my mind. By day 7 daylight was beginning to show. I had defeated this terrible adversary on its own terms. I was on top of the world.
I relapsed in 13 months...
How could I be back in this position after so many triumphs and demons that I had led to rest. The guilt my conscience put forth was already destroying me on the inside, and it was starting to show on the outside. In desperation I resorted to suboxone. Worked well for a while. I noticed the blocker to be hard for me to handle and was often not feeling very well from the effects of suboxone and pristiq. But all in all I held it all together on a thread. I could have got it over with in two weeks but i prolonged the experience. One day i got frustrated and threw my suboxone out the car window because the only person I was foolin with them things was me. It was classic self deception in the sense that I knew these were still addicting and half of the freakin fun of actually gettin high but I had taken them anyway. Oops.
Here I am day 5. The sun is coming up now and that feeling that says you arent gettting any sleep tonight buddy has manifested itself. Presently withdrawing from Suboxone and Ativan, I feel in some ways worse than I did off dope and in some ways the opposite. The only one thing I know is that I will be clean again and I am willing to pay the price to get there. Starting vitamin regimen today and more exercise. Maybe I get a little sanity back today. Maybe not.
I relapsed in 13 months...
How could I be back in this position after so many triumphs and demons that I had led to rest. The guilt my conscience put forth was already destroying me on the inside, and it was starting to show on the outside. In desperation I resorted to suboxone. Worked well for a while. I noticed the blocker to be hard for me to handle and was often not feeling very well from the effects of suboxone and pristiq. But all in all I held it all together on a thread. I could have got it over with in two weeks but i prolonged the experience. One day i got frustrated and threw my suboxone out the car window because the only person I was foolin with them things was me. It was classic self deception in the sense that I knew these were still addicting and half of the freakin fun of actually gettin high but I had taken them anyway. Oops.
Here I am day 5. The sun is coming up now and that feeling that says you arent gettting any sleep tonight buddy has manifested itself. Presently withdrawing from Suboxone and Ativan, I feel in some ways worse than I did off dope and in some ways the opposite. The only one thing I know is that I will be clean again and I am willing to pay the price to get there. Starting vitamin regimen today and more exercise. Maybe I get a little sanity back today. Maybe not.
I've spent the last 10-15 years hooked on pain pills. I have made an utter ass out of myself for drugs- finally ending up in a recovery center and on Suboxone. I must admit- I like Suboxone. In many ways it's a miracle drug, but like many others say- it's exchanging one drug for another, which is the true downside. I got on here, looking for an easy way out of the depression, sh**s, sleeplessness, mood swings, and I am on my 4th day with no Suboxone- and I don't believe there's a quick fix. I don't believe that there's quite as much trama in this withdrawal- then there is with pain pill withdrawal. It has chilled me on the opiate addiction, but I didn't stop and think about withdrawing off of Sub's, I just knew they were helping me wean myself off the pain pills. I don't get as desperate on Suboxone as I did the painers. I don't obsess as much. I just want to get off all drugs and not be so dependent on them.
It helps to have places like this to share my thoughts and frustrations with others who have been where I have been and are trying to do what I'm trying to do. Thanks for everyones advice.
It helps to have places like this to share my thoughts and frustrations with others who have been where I have been and are trying to do what I'm trying to do. Thanks for everyones advice.
Taking suboxone is a trick it is worse to come off of than anything ive ever done and believe me ive done it all. ive tried cholidine and muscle relaxers with no success. i didnt sleep for 5 days and am currently on my 6th day clean. i still feel like sh*t but thats what i get for trying to be slick. opiates are opiates their great but they suck!!!!!!!!!!
This is the start of day 2, being 48 hours since the last dose, of .5mg( yes i'm counting the days and minutes and hours), it is good to stay busy, i have my loved one and my 3 month old that of course loves to act up in a time like this, but that only makes me want to be done with it more and more. I started using subs to blanket a 2 1/2 year oxycontin addiction or any opiate i could get my hands on. i've gone through the jones before and have found about 5 days to be the worst and its over. Generally I suffer from the hot/colds and sweats which has lasted up to 14 days for me, i'm bound and determined that i'm done. I want to be able to walk outside and feel the cold on my body without flinching and running to the car because there's a chance that the sweat might touch my body, luckily its mid march starting to get warmer. I'm hoping by day 5 the heavens will part, i had only been on them for about three months off a friend, when he informed me he was 4 months late on his doc bills i knew that i was in for it. So going on day three I will let all know how it goes. Vitamins , exercise, i've been taking ambien to sleep even though i don't find the sudden knockout effects appealing, and the amino acid L-tyrosine helps along with b-12 of course.
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I was addicted to pain pills for two and a half years after I fell off a ladder and got prescribed vicodins. Looking back I wish I had just dealt with the pain and taken tylenol. you live you learn, right? I became a monster. I used to be such a nice guy. all of a sudden I blew off work and ended up alone every day and night and I was fine as long as I had the pills. and when I thought about stopping all I could think about was how there would never be anything else to fill in the gaps of my daily life. what else was going to make life exciting? But life on these pills isn't exciting. it's crazy. all i cared about was where my next fix was coming from. Ive been reading these message boards and it helps to see what other people have gone through. about six months ago I weened down from about 20 percacets a day to about 10 vicodins. all 10/325. From there I went into full blown withdrawal for about two days and jumped on suboxone. 16 mg a day to start. that only lasted about a week before I was back on the vicodins. I decided I needed to get away so I packed my sh*t, emptied my bank account and drove out west. ended up in arizona where I dont know anyone. i brought just enough pills to last me through the drive and spent the next four days going through WD in a dingy motel room with a small TV. day five I started with suboxone again. had about a week's supply left. weened down to 6 MG a day and now I'm out of everything. I will say that something no one seems to talk about is the help that smoking brings. Green. it helps. it helped me kick a coke habit years ago and I havent touched the stuff since. Im not really sure what to expect from jumping off of 6 mg. I mean, at the end I was only taking about 6 or 7 vicodin 10/325s a day. am i still screwed? another thing that helps is I found a website online where some writer is posting chapters of his book about pill addiction. it helps to see the way someone breaks down all the mental anguish associated with this devastating addiction. anyone thats interested it's I just hope I can do this on my own. I really do. Good luck to everyone out there. enjoy your friends and family. I wish I was home again.
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Well, I feel like I have to weigh in here. This is day 4 off suboxone for me. I have been on it for 3 years. I was taking one 8mg tab a day, then cut back to 4mg/day for a couple of months, then off. I tried tapering once and failed. This morning I threw about 100 8mg tabs down the toilet and said "I bind satan to these pills...may he go where they do", and flushed the toilet. So far I've been doing ok. I have taken a 1mg tab of clonazepam at bedtime, and I've felt kind of uneasy but nothing too bad. Not as bad as a lot of other drugs I've come off of!!
I wanted to say that it's not as bad as many have said; reading all those posts kept me on that stuff for twice as long as I should have been. I was afraid to quit. Don't be afraid. Pray about it to God Almighty and He will help you get off the stuff! Good luck and God Speed!
I wanted to say that it's not as bad as many have said; reading all those posts kept me on that stuff for twice as long as I should have been. I was afraid to quit. Don't be afraid. Pray about it to God Almighty and He will help you get off the stuff! Good luck and God Speed!
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Hey there. Just letting you know the best and wisest way to come off of suboxone or buprenorphine for that matter is to do it the SLOOOOOW way. If possible, get down to less than 0.5 - 0.25 mg. The hardest part for me so far was getting below about 1 - 1.5 mg, for a few days I had some minor withdrawals but my mind was constantly thinking "Just a little more to feel normal, just a little more". You have to fight it, and the mental aspect IS truly the hardest part. If you can't ween down that low than you'll never stay clean... Your mind will trick you and you will fall right off the wagon again down the road. I once came off of 6mg of suboxone after being on it 4 - 5 months and it was pretty bad. I made it two weeks with nothing but went right back on suboxone because not getting sleep was literally making me lose my mind. I was locked in my own mental prison. For me, when I ween down to a lower dosage I am usually uncomfortable for a few days and then I get back to normal again. This must be the amount of time it takes for your brain to begin repairing itself. I know this time it will not be as bad (how could it be?) as when I jumped off of the 6mg suboxone habit. And if I can make it two weeks in full withdrawal then YOU or anyone else (myself also for that matter) can DO IT TOO, completely. The only correct two ways to get off of suboxone with minimal withdrawals that I know of are A. Don't take it longer than 21 days (max), maybe a month, but that could be pushing it; and B. If you've been on it for months or years then WEEN SLOWLY until you're so low that it won't matter much anymore if you're taking it or not (like I said, try to take less than 0.5 mg or if possible less than 0.25 mg). Doing this with the 8 mg tablets can be a challenge and I wouldn't recommend it. FORCE your doctor to give you the 2 mg tablets, you have to be your own man/woman and be strong. Don't give in to temptation. The devil is the master of deceit, and I truly believe opiates are like the apple was on the tree to eve. Not meant to be taken in general (unless absolutely necessary). You are your own boundary. Good luck. Oh and I am not off of it yet, but I've made so much progress that I know this is somehow going to work out. I just took a 0.5 mg piece and every day the pieces get smaller. I'm so close I can taste it now...
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I have been on .25 for about a year now but can't seem to get off. I was off methadone 5 months and still feeling terrible when i went on suboxone. I now believe these will prove to be the WORSE drug to kick, worse than heroin. Also, I need surgery and am really scared. I want off all these drugs! Someone is getting very rich at our expense. Esp. the doctors - mine who said suboxone was not addictive unless you had a previous opiate addiction. His words were "I could personally take it for a tear and then stop w/o withdrawal. The guy's a QUACK! If I ever truly get free I am going on a mission to change this system of "drug addiction treatment". These docs are just legal pushers who took a three hour seminar and are raking in the fees!
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iam tryin like hell to get this wd over with i really think they need to take subs off the market they are awful they do help at first but when u r ready to stop shooting yourself sounds rational ive also heard the withdrawls are worse than any so its day 2 and im still bound and determind to leave those orange things behind my thoughts and prayers to all who want to try normal living
I hope its day 9 for you. If it is I'm sure its a lot better now. YES! Subxs are very difficult to kick. They can replace LTs but IMO are more difficult to kick. I have done it though. I haven't seen anyone on here say they went below 1mg/day before completely stopping. It's difficult to do even after tapering to 0.25mg/day but a lot less painful. Seriously, I break each 2mg hex into 8 (almost equal) pieces. For those of you who are having a tough time stopping after going down to 1mg should try to continue slowly tapering. I'd recommend 2 weeks each of 0.5mg/day then 0.25mg/day. You might even feel more comfortable if you continue that down to 0.25mg every other day for a couple of weeks before completely stopping. I wish all of you good luck in kicking this stuff!
I have been on .25 for about a year now but can't seem to get off. I was off methadone 5 months and still feeling terrible when i went on suboxone. I now believe these will prove to be the WORSE drug to kick, worse than heroin. Also, I need surgery and am really scared. I want off all these drugs! Someone is getting very rich at our expense. Esp. the doctors - mine who said suboxone was not addictive unless you had a previous opiate addiction. His words were "I could personally take it for a tear and then stop w/o withdrawal. The guy's a QUACK! If I ever truly get free I am going on a mission to change this system of "drug addiction treatment". These docs are just legal pushers who took a three hour seminar and are raking in the fees!
WAHAHAHAHA, day 7 b**ches! and you know what I feel f**king great. Get this, almost a year and a half on sub... I snorted 2 mg a day for a year and a half thats right snorted. Was getn them illegaly so had to stretch it out. I am 26 years old weigh about 135 and was doin oxy prior. I have a low tollerence to everything, 10 years getn high and I still get high on a couple hits. I am fully aware that symptoms vary per person but for those of you tired of the ones saying they are in misery even at day 15 THIS IS FOR YOU. IT'S NOT THAT BAD. On day 2 I went a picked up some flexeril from the doctor which helped a little for days 3-5 but now day 7 and I don't even need the stuff haha the doc gave me 40! and a refill! Exercise, MAKE YOURSELF GET UP AND DO SOMETHING! You will feel so much better while you are doing something. The hardest part are the nights which still aren't easy for me. I have probably had about 15 hours of sleep in 6 days and really bad night sweats, but you know what, I have never had this much energy as I have on day 6 and even today! This is freaking great. F**k the sleep if I can feel like this. Such a feeling of accomplishment. After reading EVERYTHING that I could possibly read on this I was scared cause everyone said ITS AWFUL. I popped an antihistimine (can cause RLS in some) to void the runny nose and watery eyes but those symptoms are done now. I popped advil for the temp that I never gave the chance to rise. Took vitamins, drank ALOT of water and gaterade. Never lost my appetite I stayed eating something, never threw up not once didn't even feel the urge. HEAT helps, go sit in ur car with a waterbottle and sweat baby sweat. That s**t really helped me. Couldn't get the clonodin, doc was worried my BP would fall too low but I am glad now cause I am kinda a hypochondriac and woulda been all worried about hypertension whatever it's called. I have spent my life making things out to be worse than they really are, call it preperation... expect the worse and when the worse doesn't happen feeeeeel gooooooood. I'd say I am at about 85%. I expect things to feel a little OFF for a while, that's my punishment and I am damn willing and prepared to except that. Are YOU? (that comment was directed towards those of us that have no medical need for the drug) Best of luck, do it... so worth it.