[b THIS IS IN CAPS CUZ YOU MUST CAREFULLY PAY ATTENTION!!!!!!! I DOUBT ANYONE HERE WILL EVEN BELIEVE WHAT IM ABOUT TO SAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HERE GOES.,........I WAS ON 13 TO 27 80 MG OXYS A DAY...I AM 5'3 130 PDS. HOW I DONE THAT MY HUBBYS MOM DIED FROM PHEN FIN (DIET PILL) AND WE KEEP GETTIN HUGE SETTLEMENTS. DRS SAY THAT WHEN MY BLOOD WAS CHECKED AND THE AMOUNT OF THAT WAS IN MY SYSTEM AND NOT ONLY WAS I NOT DEAD BUT TOTALLY NORMAL. NOT HIGH AND IGNORENT. IT WAS THE MOST AMAZEING THING THEY EVER SAW. BUT I STARTED OFF ON PERCS AND HYDROS. i have hydradenitis.which is not only painful but mentally harder than hell 2 say. so anyways i have alot of demons. they (drs) said boxes wouldnt help me they didnt have enough to do that!!!!!so i decided to dr MYSELF!!!!!!!! i bought them on the street. to make a long story short.......i weened myself off the boxes. if you were an addict even close tto what i was you know there is no fear of likeing the lil percs and hydros again....so find a few of those and take like 2 a day starting from day 3 of no boxes. take any sleep aid for night advil has the most....take like 6 of them. im still a bit not good. and not 100% ......that being said.........this too shall pass. and these meds do help!!!!!!!!!!! luv all of you ...im with ya!!! heart and soul
i meant my skin disease was hard mentally and also painful...all my sweat glands removed and skin on upper torso removed. and my tolerence builds each time i would take or snort a pill.
I did heroin for aprox. a month. I've been on suboxone for 10 ***edited by moderator*** ** inappropriate posting** months!! The withdrawals from suboxone are just as bad or if not worse than heroin wd. And suboxone wd's last waaaaaaaaaaay longer. its rediculous....I feel worse from suboxone than when i was dope sick. I can handle the withdrawals its just the sleeping part that drives me ***edited by moderator*** ** inappropriate posting** crazy. Sleeping aids make it worse FYI...i have no pills at all to get through this. I started off 4 mg a day for about 6 months. I've been breaking the pills in half to try to taper down, but i'm down to the smallest possible amount of subs and i still can not get off them. If im going through this kinda hell i'd rather be doing it because im on dope! I HATE SUBOXONE.................!
I'm on day 2 of kickin subs and it sucks balls. I've been on subs for 11 months and it became an everyday thing for me. But everytime i runout wd's kick my ass and here's the shocker i'm only on 0.5 mg a day for the past 2 months. WTF? Why is the wd's so bad?? how long do you think this will last?? %-)
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:-P Seriously Suboxone w/d was waaaaaaayyyyyyy easier than any real opiate w/d. Just try to remember walking to the Drug set puking from the anxiety and trying not to sh*t urself on the way there. Remember all the mucus and the burning in ur throat after you tried to eat anything. The foam pukes after trying to drink Pepsi or just your pillow being too hot and then and 5 minutes later the room is too cold. I had 3 years clean and suboxone helped a lot. I was on 10 mg a day for the first week and tapered quickly down to 2mg by the end of the 2nd week. I was just voted as the president of my rehab for a week and the sub w/d's had come on. I was so tired and unmotivated but I had to push myself. I asked my primary counselor if I could just quit the president spot and he said DEF NOT. The trick to Sub w/d is getting up and getting out. Yeah I felt like sh*t and it was hard but nothing like Heroin or Oxy's. After like 3 days or so it was all anxiety and irritation. I wanted to fight every as****e in the building, lol. Luckily, they left my frail ass alone. When they asked me how much heroin I did per day I couldn't answer them. I did as much as money could buy me. When ur at rock bottom you either do a bag or 2, sometimes 5, and on the great days a bundle, and on the hard days none at all. Yes, if u let suboxone hold u hostage it will. Don't blame the drug when you're doing it to urself. That's not intended to piss ppl off, but sometimes the truth hurts. I relapsed this past year bc when my face was swolen on the weekend and I was in the hospital I was asked by the Doc if I had any problems w/ any meds and I said no when I obviusly should have told him about the past drug problem. I lost the battle that day and kept losing for 6 more months. Luckily, before I lost everything I got back on the subs. It was hard at first but it's been a few weeks now and I'm down to a "heavy" 2 mg's, lol. I know I'm gonna be fine in the next couple of weeks. Just remember: it's not like methadone where the w/d's last for months. The first day it comes on slowly and the next couple of days it sucks but after that it's all nerve. You just have to take a look at yourself and deal w/ it. As corny as this sounds I'm gonna say it anyway. Sometimes you have to do life if u wanna do life.
Here's the facts. I've been on Suboxone for 3-4 years, so I should know....
First, if you CAN find a Dr. that will prescribe Subutex, that is MUCH MORE PREFERABLE than Suboxone. Because of the lack of the ingredient, Naloxone in the Subutex. Plus, if you SHOULD happen to need REAL, short acting narcotics in the meantime... then they will actually WORK for you. (You may even get a BUZZ too :-P ). But with SUBOXONE, even if you take narcotics for a week STRAIGHT, you will not feel much from them. Just saying.
Suboxone (and Subutex) WILL have withdrawals when quitting or tapering too fast. There's no getting around this unfortunately.
"Sub" (Suboxone and Subutex) greatly heightens your opiate TOLERANCE. So basically, taking "Sub" kind of defeats the purpose. But it WILL keep you out of horrid, unbearable withdrawal. I was in suicidal withdrawal for about 2-3 straight days when I had my first Sub dose. And it worked within 20 minutes. I actually DID get a 'high' off of it for about the first week or so. But after that, it was just 'maintenance.' And PLENTY of side effects like profuse sweating, blurry vision, swelling of ankles/ fingers, etc, occasional nausea with throwing up at later stages (year 3). The GOOD effects were consistent, full sleep at night... a certain "calmless" after taking it..... and of course curbing (but not CURING) my cravings for real opiates.
Taking MORE will NOT increase any "high" that you are hoping for. This is a rumor and simply isn't true. Because of how it is formulated, it has a "ceiling effect" and you can be just as satisfied on 4mg's as you can 8. You have to find your personal mg tolerance according to your addiction. For instance.... I was eating around 18 (or 180 mg's) of hydrocodone with 6 or 7 Somas DAILY. So MY personal starting dosage was around 10 mg's. They started me out at 16 mg's (2 pills a day)- but I was really sick from the overkill of mg's and having headaches daily. So I cut it back to 8-10mg's daily, and am now at around 5-6mg's daily. Which isn't much of a taper during those 3-4 years, I know. But an addicts mind is LIKE that.... afraid of cutting back dosages and fearing withdrawal.
Now I am working toward trying to get by on just 4mg's daily. I know I can do it, because Sub is also formulated to have an extremely long half life and can stay in your body up to a week without going into full blown withdrawal. Maybe longer. And since insurance companies throughout the nation are seriously cutting back coverage & meds.... (thanks to the unconstitutional HC Bill that passed), I will be hoarding all the Sub I can and have about 5 unfilled prescriptions and a hoarded supply that I can probably stretch out 4-5 months. If I'm not tapered off fully by then, I guess I'll be heading to rehab or the Methadone clinic. I'm bound & determined to make any withdrawal as easy as possible. Nothing WORSE than W/D! Especially in the mental sense of it! It is HELL ON EARTH! :-(
First, if you CAN find a Dr. that will prescribe Subutex, that is MUCH MORE PREFERABLE than Suboxone. Because of the lack of the ingredient, Naloxone in the Subutex. Plus, if you SHOULD happen to need REAL, short acting narcotics in the meantime... then they will actually WORK for you. (You may even get a BUZZ too :-P ). But with SUBOXONE, even if you take narcotics for a week STRAIGHT, you will not feel much from them. Just saying.
Suboxone (and Subutex) WILL have withdrawals when quitting or tapering too fast. There's no getting around this unfortunately.
"Sub" (Suboxone and Subutex) greatly heightens your opiate TOLERANCE. So basically, taking "Sub" kind of defeats the purpose. But it WILL keep you out of horrid, unbearable withdrawal. I was in suicidal withdrawal for about 2-3 straight days when I had my first Sub dose. And it worked within 20 minutes. I actually DID get a 'high' off of it for about the first week or so. But after that, it was just 'maintenance.' And PLENTY of side effects like profuse sweating, blurry vision, swelling of ankles/ fingers, etc, occasional nausea with throwing up at later stages (year 3). The GOOD effects were consistent, full sleep at night... a certain "calmless" after taking it..... and of course curbing (but not CURING) my cravings for real opiates.
Taking MORE will NOT increase any "high" that you are hoping for. This is a rumor and simply isn't true. Because of how it is formulated, it has a "ceiling effect" and you can be just as satisfied on 4mg's as you can 8. You have to find your personal mg tolerance according to your addiction. For instance.... I was eating around 18 (or 180 mg's) of hydrocodone with 6 or 7 Somas DAILY. So MY personal starting dosage was around 10 mg's. They started me out at 16 mg's (2 pills a day)- but I was really sick from the overkill of mg's and having headaches daily. So I cut it back to 8-10mg's daily, and am now at around 5-6mg's daily. Which isn't much of a taper during those 3-4 years, I know. But an addicts mind is LIKE that.... afraid of cutting back dosages and fearing withdrawal.
Now I am working toward trying to get by on just 4mg's daily. I know I can do it, because Sub is also formulated to have an extremely long half life and can stay in your body up to a week without going into full blown withdrawal. Maybe longer. And since insurance companies throughout the nation are seriously cutting back coverage & meds.... (thanks to the unconstitutional HC Bill that passed), I will be hoarding all the Sub I can and have about 5 unfilled prescriptions and a hoarded supply that I can probably stretch out 4-5 months. If I'm not tapered off fully by then, I guess I'll be heading to rehab or the Methadone clinic. I'm bound & determined to make any withdrawal as easy as possible. Nothing WORSE than W/D! Especially in the mental sense of it! It is HELL ON EARTH! :-(
:-S this sh*t sucks i was only on 4mg a day then i tapered and it still sucks.....this sh*t is the devil
I have been reading the posts on this page for about the last few weeks and I just got off suboxone myself. Reading what others have gone thru really helped me prepare for my own withdrawal. I will give a little background first and then let you know what helped me so that maybe this info will help others too. My first drug of choice was not opiates, but I became physically addicted because I liked using oxy's and heroin for coming down off coke. After several months of needing oxy's/heroin daily and realizing my addiction, I found suboxone. I took about 2mg's the first time and the w/d's went away in about 20 mins! Amazing! I could even still go to work that day. For me, suboxone saved me from using heroin and buying oc's illegally. Pretty much saved my life. My now-husband, then boyfriend, helped me financially and emotionally with my dr. appt's and prescriptions. (Which get really expensive! The only major downfall) I was on suboxone for 4 1/2 yrs. I was also doing coke and other drugs for about 2 of those years. Finally, I started drug counseling and started going to Narcotics Anonymous meetings in Milwaukee. I stayed abstinent from "hard" drugs for about 2 years. I started weening my suboxone dosage down. My doctor lowered my dose every month, little by little. I was taking at one time, 32 mg a day of suboxone (4 subs at 8mg) We went down about 2 mg every visit from there. This past year, as my dose got smaller, I went from 1 8mg/day for a few months, to 6mg/day for 2 months, to 4 mg/day for about 2 months, to 3mg/day for a month, then 2mg/day for about 2 months, and finally 1mg/day for 2 months until 12/20/10 when I took my last dose. I made sure I didn't have anything going on for that week (off of school) And it actually wasn't that bad. Sure I had chills, goose bumps, yawns, still have sweats, but those aren't that bad, just annoying. The worst days were Tuesday and Wednesday and the nights were worse. For me the worst part was not being able to sleep because the nerves/muscles in my arms kept "tickling" (best way to describe the feeling). Then after those 2 nights, it got better. I had a hot bath and 90min massage on Friday which was awesome! Really helped. This week I'm just a little fatigued and get worn out easily. But I worked out twice this week and stretched. I think I've been going thru w/d's for the past couple months because I've been slowly lowering the dose so it feels amazing to have it completely out of my system. To anyone on suboxone or trying to get off it, it is all worth it in the end. When you wake up one day and realize you're not w/ding and you feel yourself again, well that is the best feeling I've ever had! I feel like I can do anything now! Also I wouldn't have been able to do this without being in Narcotics Anonymous and w/o the help of my sponsor and other members. Even when I felt like not going out, I went to meetings because that it where I belong and where I can talk to others who have been thru the same thing. Please, try a meeting. The therapeutic value of one addict helping another is without parallel. There is hope!
:-( Guy's & Gal's i been reading all these post on here & im glad to see so many talking & sharing all this info.. i got on hydro's,perc's & got strung out good back in late 06 & a friend of mine introduced me to sub's.. well i been bouncing week to week on em since! Here is the bottom line: you can taper & do all this stuff but- if u have been using for a month.. No matter what u do everyone will go through 3-4 days of HELL!! Im scared & angry as hell: I just turned 30 i was in the best shape of my life" was looking at a professional fighting career & fell in love with a dope attic & fell in with her'''imagine that! it's like Forest Gump said lifes like a box of choclates you never know what ur gonna get! Well i ended up filing bankruptcy & my girlfriend i ditched! Ihave a good job as a cnc programmer for alcoa here in tn. But the point is this sh*t just ruins ur life:: I know how some of u feel right now & my heart goes out to you! So none of you are alone- it is day 1 for me'' im snowed in & (We all) can do this! Im gonna give it my all this round! These frikkin' doctors started this war in the 60's & it's been on the street & in every walk in life out there' poor'fame' u name it! But i have been blessed i have maintained to stay in shape ! I was using like 8 mg. a day! Someday's like a half of 8 mg & a little less! And at times i will bottom out & go cold turkey for i have no resources & wing it 4 days! So here is my plan- hop on' & join me if u want! Get about 12 ensure or boost servings & multi-vit!use it as directed & a over the counter advil,etc.etc.. and lets (ride the lightning) Now ur prob-laughing at this) While u are- remember im stuck with no choice- I dred this so damn bad!! If ur religious pray for me guy's & gal's- im fighting an unbeaten advisary(MYSELF). I'm alone out here in the mountians! I gotta go back to work sat! i work 3-12hr. days & off tues-fri! i was snowed in last nite like i said! So i need ur prayer's & support as much as you need mine. So i will post back' when i can- EXCUSE THE GRAMMER! i could care less right now! Goodluck & may God bless us all! Welcome to my nightmare: Jason
Hey Jason, hang in there. I know you can't think about much else right now, but know that this too shall pass. Your higher power, God, as I like to call Him, will help you through this rough time. I went off suboxone on December 20th and today I feel pretty much back to my "normal" self. Actually, after the first 3 days every day I felt just a little bit better. I won't sugar coat it, of course I would not wish withdrawal feelings on anyone, but if I didn't go thru it the way I did I might still have some reservations/reasons to go back to using. God doesn't give us more than we can handle, so just remember in a few days you will feel better-that is a fact. You are strong enough to get through this sickness right now. Remember where you came from. There are a lot of sick addicts out there still trying to get high off dope right now, looking for their next fix. I know because I was that sick addict, where the first thought of my day was if I had enough drugs on me to get me through the day or if I needed to re up. I'll always be an addict, but I don't have to use drugs today.
Hopefully this is the only time in your life you will have to experience this pain and this experience will be enough to deter you from doing opiates again. You will definitely come out stronger because of it. Just tell yourself you only have to make it through one more day, or one more hour, or 5 more minutes, and soon the worst of it will be over.
-MK
Hopefully this is the only time in your life you will have to experience this pain and this experience will be enough to deter you from doing opiates again. You will definitely come out stronger because of it. Just tell yourself you only have to make it through one more day, or one more hour, or 5 more minutes, and soon the worst of it will be over.
-MK
Hey guys. First of all, I would like to congratulate everyone on here trying to stop using whatever drug u may be on. The first step to recovery and living a REAL, clear minded life, is recognition of your problem. Using drugs may feel good at the time, but in reality you are NOT living, just EXISTING. Anything you do while you are "high" is tainted with whatever chemical u are on. I came to the conclusion that whatever experiences I go through in life, good or bad, I want them to be REAL!
I got tired of being dependent on a drug to live my life. God gave me life as a healthy man, I was the one to f**k that up. But through all the destruction I did to my body, all the times I put my life at risk by doing ridiculous amounts of drugs... Amounts that others had died from. I AM STILL HERE!!! Just like all of you reading this and posting messages. Why are we here and others are not? I don't know that answer, but it does make me appreciate the grace and forgiveness of God. And I hope all of you realize that you are all very lucky, even if you don't feel like it now, I promise you that you are. "Where there is Life, There is Hope." A very wise man told me this, and it is ABSOLUTELY TRUE.
I started out using small amounts of percocet (5mg to 10mg) every once in awhile for a lingering sports injury. Then I started taking it socially every once in awhile. This turned into me getting multiple prescriptions a month of 90+ 30mg Roxicodone pills. I was selling them to finance my own habit. I was taking up to 8 per day and thinking nothing of it. I thought I was doing good. I graduated from college, I was working 2 jobs making good $, I had a couple girlfriends. I was 23 years old living the life. I thought. I was wrong. After some time of this lifestyle, I looked at myself in the mirror after a night of falling asleep in my own dinner and then waking up with the worst headache u can imagine and then throwing up my guts all night. Then it hit me, What was I doing?! I looked like sh*t and I felt like sh*t. I had everyone fooled into thinking I was doing so good, well I wasn't. All of you can relate to this feeling... the moment you realized you were definitely f*****g up your life. In the following days, I flushed the rest of my pills and went through almost 4 days of serious WDs. Days 1-3 are pretty serious, but day 4 you start feeling a little better and start seeing glimpses of the light at the end of the tunnel. On day 4, I went to my day job and toughed it out the best I could. Then I went to my night job at a restaurant where almost everyone was doing the pills. They were right in front of my face, and I couldn't resist. I was tired of feeling like sh*t. I started using again and then just got sick of being a SLAVE to a drug.
I was told about Suboxone and where I could get it from a Doctor. I went and began taking 8mgs a day. I didn't feel the physical WDs, but the mental and emotional depression was definitley present. I had no energy and I was depressed. I started to take Xzanax, which later I found out was a lethal combination with suboxone. Then I tried coke for the first time and it made me feel better for a minute, but then quickly turned into depression and self loathing. I couldn't believe this is where I found myself. This is where my life was. For years I was the one to turn down the drugs, I was the one telling others to get off. I have seen the effects of drug use up close and personal in my own family... and here I was making the same mistakes I vowed never to do.
Well I have been drug free (only Suboxone) for about 4 years now and after several attempts to say farewell to the subs, I am doing it NOW. Thank you to everyone who posted positive messages about there own experiences, because it helps. After reading all of these posts, I decided to right my own. I will tell you that no matter what your DRs say, you must have a real plan to get off these meds. The sooner, the better. The longer you stay on, the more accustomed your mind and body will become to every day use, and it will be that much harder to stop. I have found the most effective ways to get off suboxone is to slowly ween yourself off. You must do it right though and be consistent with it. Once your cravings for your other drug use (pills, H, etc.) begin to subside then start tapering your dosage down at a comfortable level. Go from 8mgs for a couple weeks, to 6mgs, to 4, to 2, to 1, to 1/2mg, to a 1/4mg, then literally to crumbs. You will feel a little discomfort, but nothing like jumping off at 2mgs or even 1 mg. At the end, when you aren't taking anything and you are feeling all the symptoms, try to stay busy. Excercise, eat right, drink lots of fluids and keep your motivation to get off these meds strong in your heart and mind. Read, listen to music, surround yourself with good positive people. Whatever it takes, DO IT! Because eventually the sick feelings will pass and your body and mind will recover. You can live life clean and REAL. Not to say life will be so Great when you are clean, because life is tough at times. But at least you can say you are clean and whatever happens you can deal with it without the dependence of any drug. It is definitley something to be proud of. Your friends, family, body and future will thank you for your choice of sobriety.
Sorry this has been so long, but I wanted to speak my piece. Thank you for reading this and I genuinely wish all of you success in your journey to sobriety. You only get one life, don't make your time here a regret. -Dan
I got tired of being dependent on a drug to live my life. God gave me life as a healthy man, I was the one to f**k that up. But through all the destruction I did to my body, all the times I put my life at risk by doing ridiculous amounts of drugs... Amounts that others had died from. I AM STILL HERE!!! Just like all of you reading this and posting messages. Why are we here and others are not? I don't know that answer, but it does make me appreciate the grace and forgiveness of God. And I hope all of you realize that you are all very lucky, even if you don't feel like it now, I promise you that you are. "Where there is Life, There is Hope." A very wise man told me this, and it is ABSOLUTELY TRUE.
I started out using small amounts of percocet (5mg to 10mg) every once in awhile for a lingering sports injury. Then I started taking it socially every once in awhile. This turned into me getting multiple prescriptions a month of 90+ 30mg Roxicodone pills. I was selling them to finance my own habit. I was taking up to 8 per day and thinking nothing of it. I thought I was doing good. I graduated from college, I was working 2 jobs making good $, I had a couple girlfriends. I was 23 years old living the life. I thought. I was wrong. After some time of this lifestyle, I looked at myself in the mirror after a night of falling asleep in my own dinner and then waking up with the worst headache u can imagine and then throwing up my guts all night. Then it hit me, What was I doing?! I looked like sh*t and I felt like sh*t. I had everyone fooled into thinking I was doing so good, well I wasn't. All of you can relate to this feeling... the moment you realized you were definitely f*****g up your life. In the following days, I flushed the rest of my pills and went through almost 4 days of serious WDs. Days 1-3 are pretty serious, but day 4 you start feeling a little better and start seeing glimpses of the light at the end of the tunnel. On day 4, I went to my day job and toughed it out the best I could. Then I went to my night job at a restaurant where almost everyone was doing the pills. They were right in front of my face, and I couldn't resist. I was tired of feeling like sh*t. I started using again and then just got sick of being a SLAVE to a drug.
I was told about Suboxone and where I could get it from a Doctor. I went and began taking 8mgs a day. I didn't feel the physical WDs, but the mental and emotional depression was definitley present. I had no energy and I was depressed. I started to take Xzanax, which later I found out was a lethal combination with suboxone. Then I tried coke for the first time and it made me feel better for a minute, but then quickly turned into depression and self loathing. I couldn't believe this is where I found myself. This is where my life was. For years I was the one to turn down the drugs, I was the one telling others to get off. I have seen the effects of drug use up close and personal in my own family... and here I was making the same mistakes I vowed never to do.
Well I have been drug free (only Suboxone) for about 4 years now and after several attempts to say farewell to the subs, I am doing it NOW. Thank you to everyone who posted positive messages about there own experiences, because it helps. After reading all of these posts, I decided to right my own. I will tell you that no matter what your DRs say, you must have a real plan to get off these meds. The sooner, the better. The longer you stay on, the more accustomed your mind and body will become to every day use, and it will be that much harder to stop. I have found the most effective ways to get off suboxone is to slowly ween yourself off. You must do it right though and be consistent with it. Once your cravings for your other drug use (pills, H, etc.) begin to subside then start tapering your dosage down at a comfortable level. Go from 8mgs for a couple weeks, to 6mgs, to 4, to 2, to 1, to 1/2mg, to a 1/4mg, then literally to crumbs. You will feel a little discomfort, but nothing like jumping off at 2mgs or even 1 mg. At the end, when you aren't taking anything and you are feeling all the symptoms, try to stay busy. Excercise, eat right, drink lots of fluids and keep your motivation to get off these meds strong in your heart and mind. Read, listen to music, surround yourself with good positive people. Whatever it takes, DO IT! Because eventually the sick feelings will pass and your body and mind will recover. You can live life clean and REAL. Not to say life will be so Great when you are clean, because life is tough at times. But at least you can say you are clean and whatever happens you can deal with it without the dependence of any drug. It is definitley something to be proud of. Your friends, family, body and future will thank you for your choice of sobriety.
Sorry this has been so long, but I wanted to speak my piece. Thank you for reading this and I genuinely wish all of you success in your journey to sobriety. You only get one life, don't make your time here a regret. -Dan
First of all, I want to thank everyone for their posts. I just stumbled across this site, luckily. I don't feel so f-g alone now! I am scared to death and I really thought this was all behind me. I seriously am an alcoholic who is in recovery through AA. I go to meetings every day. I am very involved in it. Problem is that I was addicted to vikes and when I went to detox in Aug. 2010 they put me on Subs. I wanted them because I "heard" great things and the docs promoted the hell out of them. Due to being so involved in AA I feel I shouldn't be on any substances any longer. I do not disclose this info to anyone in AA except my sponsor who feels I should be off of them. I am on 16mgs a day of suboxone. I have tried to cut down to 8mgs and did not succeed (w/ds baaaad!). Now, I have no choice since I do not have the $ to get a full script. I will have to stay on 8mgs this week. I am glad since I want to take advantage of the lack of access to cut down. I guess I could get the money if I really wanted but I really want to wean. It has only been today and I can already feel it (mind f-k, right?). No, my nose is serioulsly running and I feel like I have a bad cold and I took 8 mgs 10 hours ago! I do believe the doctors are making a great deal of dough from these little orange demons! I am actually on the strips. I haven't drank or even smoked a f-ckin ciggarette in 5 months. I didn't know I would be so addicted to these things! I am pissed. I didn't go to detox, lose my job and work so hard in the AA program to be hooked on something that was supposed to help! And get this, my doctor doesn't think I should "wean off of them, yet" because he feels I am at risk of picking up the vicodin again! He doesn't counsel me. He doesn't even ask about how I am doing in AA! How would he even know? He just wants to keep me on them! I also see a psychologist who feels if I am ready to be suboxone free, then so be it. I was on vikes for 2 years. Every time I tried to get off of those, the w/d symptoms were the same as these!!!!!!!!! F-k this. I understand "we do this to ourselves" as some of you have mentioned. True. However, we have a b***h of a disease called addiction. And from all of the research I have done (not to mention personal experience), I do believe it is a bonafide, genetic, mother f-cker of a disease! It ruins lives, familes...well, I am sure you are aware of this. Who chooses to be an addict or alcoholic and destroy their lives? Not me. I felt I didn't have a choice but to use things that made me feel good since I felt so bad every day of my life. AA has taught me how to live without substances and I will be damned if I slap the program or God in the face by continuing to use these things. I have stopped using every other substance I abused except these which I do not abuse. The f-g doctors should be shot for keeping us addicted to them. The only purpose they should serve is assisting in withdrawing from the opiates. It shouldn't be a long term process. I want out of the pill scene all the way around. Glad to know I am not the only one who feels this way about the miracle drug "Suboxone". I know I wrote a novel, here but it is such an important message. I wish you the best and you are all in my prayers. I know how much this merry-go-round sucks!
I have been on Suboxone/heroin for the past 6 years. Now I'll admit that using the sub to get off of heroin or other opiates is a great alternative to suffering through WD. However, as some other poetsers said I am now trapped in a sub addiction. I have tappered my dosage down to .5 mg a day and tried to stop... The WD were just as bad as when I was using dope, if not worse. Over the summer is when I really tried to get off sub, I made it about a day and had to call my dr. When I WD I get anxious and start to think I need to find a way to feel better, even using heroin again :-(.
My advice for anyone that is trying to get off Opiates is to detox with suboxone and taper yourself off with the first month, there are other meds that can block the opiates that dont have the addictive effect the suboxone has. Besides, I was going back and forth using sub and heroin and the sub doesnt block the heroin high (well it kinda does for the first day but after that nothing).
So as I said, anyone trying to get off opiates, go to rehab, then a halfway house (I became an employee of the half-way house I attended for about a year cuz I knew I needded it to help me stay clean). When detoxing tell your dr that you want to detox off opiates with suboxone but want to get off the subixine within a month. It may be a little shaky with WD for a few weeks, but its MUCH better than getting trapped like I am now being on suboxone for over 6 years... The WD are unberable and I know that I'll have to just suffer thru them someday, luckily I have a supportive family that will be by my side thru the process.
Also, if you can, go to a dr, not a suboxone clinic! The clinic is only going to stabalize you and get you cornered. I was a slave to street opiates and now I am a slave to legal pharm opiates :-(. Hope this helps someone...
My advice for anyone that is trying to get off Opiates is to detox with suboxone and taper yourself off with the first month, there are other meds that can block the opiates that dont have the addictive effect the suboxone has. Besides, I was going back and forth using sub and heroin and the sub doesnt block the heroin high (well it kinda does for the first day but after that nothing).
So as I said, anyone trying to get off opiates, go to rehab, then a halfway house (I became an employee of the half-way house I attended for about a year cuz I knew I needded it to help me stay clean). When detoxing tell your dr that you want to detox off opiates with suboxone but want to get off the subixine within a month. It may be a little shaky with WD for a few weeks, but its MUCH better than getting trapped like I am now being on suboxone for over 6 years... The WD are unberable and I know that I'll have to just suffer thru them someday, luckily I have a supportive family that will be by my side thru the process.
Also, if you can, go to a dr, not a suboxone clinic! The clinic is only going to stabalize you and get you cornered. I was a slave to street opiates and now I am a slave to legal pharm opiates :-(. Hope this helps someone...