Age - 40
Age of first exerience of symptoms- 39
Symptoms- shortness of breath, cough that can linger for weeks after, can't get a satisfying inhale of breath, panic/anxiety attack due to breathing scare
Type of excercise- not enough
When do symptoms normally occur- Late afternoon/early evening the following day after drinking heavy
Symptoms ever led to doc or hospital visit- Emergency once.... blood, EKG, lung xray all normal
Questions to add are:
What are we drinking?- Beer
Do you have acid reflux that you know of?- yes
Thanks guys
Please post what a doctor thinks!!! Much appreciated.
Darkly funny, I find this topic really disturbing. I ended up in the hospital having serious trouble breathing and one of the first things the doctor asked me is if I drank more than 6 beer or a bottle of wine a night. On further investigation it seems like a reaction to too much drinking. I stopped drinking immediately and poof the problem went away. As sad as it seems drinking is no longer an option.
He gave me an inhaler for the next time I encounter the shortness of breath or coughing. The good news is that he didn't say that it should be anything of concern or to worry about as it's not serious.
This probably doesn't help, but I think many of the doctors may not understand this exact case we are all having.
I am in the same boat as all of you with only some minor differences. I have done a few simple searches on the internet and found this to be very common; however, I've not come across a single diagnosis other than anxiety (and I don't fully buy that but haven't ruled it out)
My story is: I was smoking for a while and came down with a very bad cough which lasted for about two weeks. Eventually, the cough went away and then the difficulty breathing began (can't get a full breath, yawn, etc). I have had multiple tests that have all come back fine including xrays. I will be seeing a pulmonologist next week as well as having a couple other tests done. I'm convinced that they will not be able to diagnose me.
One minor difference in symptoms is the day after drinking (hangover), I tend not to have very bad symptoms. I think it's a result of not being very active and being calm/relaxed. The following day; however, the symptoms return. I've had symptoms going on 3 months now. I was prescribed an allergy medication and Advair which I thought was helping. I had a couple really good days then the symptoms returned. I'm still working on what changed or could've caused the symptoms to reappear.
At this point, I'm frustrated and depressed. I understand what everyone here is going through. It's good to know I'm not alone, but scary to think this is so common yet doctor's haven't made a positive diagnosis.
Keep posting guys. I'll let you all know if/when I find the cure :-)
Please keep posting....my symtoms returned recently in the form of a cough and slight shortness of breath (not scary though) just uncomfortable. I have notice differences in what I'm eating. Greasy food makes me cough!! I think I am going to try this really great ENT (ear nose & throat) doctor. I'll post my results. I have several post here and I just hope we can all find a way to beat this. Please post if you find out anything.
Thanx :-D
P.S. The 2 diagnosis are anxiety and GERD (severe acid reflux).
First of all.....have a little respect and tact. These symtoms are happening to alot of us without drinking. I haven't had a drink in a month and I still have symtoms. Stay off thsi thread if you don't know what you're talking about.
Thanks.
My story:
23 year old, Male, reasonably fit/healthy, history of anxiety attacks and depression. Currently in the midst of some kind of alcohol problem.
My drinking is generally Friday/Saturday every week - 2 nights only. And I will start drinking at anytime and typically keep drinking until I pass out. Known as "binge" drinking rather than the other type of alcoholic problem where people drink smallish amounts aaaaaaaaaaalll the time. Some big weekends I'll perhaps drink 3 or 4 nights in a row, spending £100's
I've been doing this since 17 but it's only this year that this problem has really started to affect me. I guess nowadays I drink something equvialant to 2 litres of vodka in a typical weekend. (Various drinks - beer, vodka, whisky, I'm not at all fussy and even have been known to indulge in cocaine, speed, ectsasy, cannabis (although erm, not at the same time)
The symptoms of this topic:
So I'll wake up on the Sunday still drunk (which is nicer than a hangover) but the hangover does usually catch up with me around lunch time. I'll feel TERRIBLE - groggy, confused, ashamed, afraid, tired etc.
By 9pm the worst of the hangover will be gone and we now move onto the symptoms of our topic. I can't quite get that satisfying DEEP breath. I'll be shaking, twitchy, jumpy and irritible. My chest feels tight, like I've got bricks pressing down on it and like someone else put rather well, I have to "remember" to breath and even then it's unsatsfying and worrying.
I have to get up early on Monday for work, so I aim to be tucked up in bed by 1030pm - in theory the hangover should be gone by this point. So I'll try and get to sleep, but I start feeling ashamed again. Panicky, twitchy, groggy - but unable to sleep and the breathing problems get worse. All through the night I drift in and out of really *light* sleep and the worst of all is when I'm just drifting off to sleep and suddenly my lungs start forcing me to breath at 1000 miles per hour. It feels like a heart attack or brain haemorrage - this "bad" thing happens maybe once or twice every few months and it's when I've REALLY had a big weekend.
On Monday my eyes are all droopy, red, irritated. I'm unmotivated, can't concentrate, again quite depressed and ashamed and I know that people I work with probably look down at me thinking I must be a total waster. I naturally have quite baggy eyes but these types of Monday I do look like a real mess.
It takes until about Wednesday or even Thursday to feel fresh again.
The solution?
We all know the solution is not to drink. But I have such FUN and it's ingrained in my culture / near friends so much that we do it anyway.
But what I feel works best is a number of things:
1. Get up as early as possible on the hangover day. This means you'll be so tired that night that you shouldn't have any sleeping problems.
2. Rehyrdate - sports drinks or just water and plenty of it. Seems to help with the breathing issue - make sure to do this all through the day and night.
3. Get healthy - go to the gym and really work that cardio (strengthens lungs / breathing). Also has the natural benefit of alleviating depressive symptoms. Make sure you're getting your 5 a day fruit and lead a generally healthy lifestyle. (apart from drink obv)
4. Before bed (on hangover day) do things that are relaxing - have a warm bath, read a book (if you can concentrate). Have nice "hearty" food like mashed potatoes etc.
But again I stress that the best solution is to stop drinking alltogether. Not sure if I can though
I to struggle with breathing difficulties after a night out drinking.....
Man out of all the posts yours is exactly, 100% identical to my situation. In brief:
Since 2 years have very flexible work and end up drinking way way more than before with lots of parties, sometimes for days.
I used to work out a LOT and still do but with long 'rest' periods between.
In brief: I noticed I was a bit short of breath but never connected it to drinking. Now Ive been off for 3 months and drinking a lot. My breathing has gotten worse I quit smoking months ago and still it gets worse.
I have never, ever been prone to panik attacks or hypercondria etc. at all.
For months I sometimes have this odd sensation - a sudden awareness or concern - that I am going to pass out. I never actually do pass out so far. Its more like a vague feeling like I'm concerned I will pass out. I don't tell anyone but it has been bad enough that several times I have left my apartment and been outdoors for the sole purpose that in case I pass out someone will see me.
Then last week, I woke up after drinking 3 days straight. I wasn't sick but the feeling of 'going to pass out' was worse than ever. Then suddenly I realized it was getting worse by the hour, then by they minute. I called a cab to go to hospital ( I NEVER go to hospital) but I was starting to panic. By the time the cab arrived I could barely speak and told him if I pass out then tell the docs I don't have asthma and I CANT BREATHE. By the time I got there I really thought i was going to die, like in the next 5 minutes. They put me on oxygen. They ran a million tests (I got the royal treatment because my brother is a doctor at that very hospital) and all tests came back clean including lung x-rays etc. Even my oxygen levels which they took 3 times showed 100% (albeit with oxygen mask). They told me it was anxiety/panic. I cannot tell you how absolutely shocked I was. I was sent to a ward just in case and the next day I was OK until late afternoon when, AFTER DRINKING 4 CUPS Of COFFEE in about 2 hours - I suddenly had the bull blown episode again.
Listen what you said about coffee is very interesting. Just tonight when i thought all this was over (been sober 5 days and no more drinking - period) I was fine. Then I had a lot of coffee (I do that sometimes) plus ate and had the same hard core breathig problems again.
Plus on 2 of the 3 'emergency' situations I had just eaten within the last hour a specific brand of smoked ham. sounds crazy but seriously its not just alcohol there has to be some combination going on that makes this happen.
But the Way you described your breathing difficulties is exactly, word for word the way I described it.
I need to figure this out. I think now it is alcohol BUT when combined with coffee, ot some food or food additives (which are proven to cause allergic breathing reactions in some pple).
My brother (the doc) is working on this I really want to hear what happened to you if you want lets get in contact & I will share with you any info / insights I get.
Good luck
Thank you for posting. I have not had a drink in months now and I still have symtoms depending on what I eat or drink. As I stated in previous post I believe it is brought on by drinking and GERD or acid reflux. My ENT said that carbonated drinks (beer, tonics, soda water) can bring on severe acid reflux as well as certain foods.
I am curious to see what the Doc says. Please keep posting....I have been working on this for months. Where drinking is one cause, I don't believe it is the only cause as I have not touched alcohol in months and still am being affected by shallow breathing and a chronic cough....very random times (3 days good ....1 day bad...ect...).
Thanks....let us know!!!
hi Reguy this is Forestskog but I created a new account since in my excitement last time I seem to have lost my login details. I'll be posting under this name from now on.
Not much news yet. What I can tell you is:
1. My brother (the doctor and BTW he's an MD, PhD and VERY 'on the ball' kind of guy) went through this message board and seemed genuinely a bit surprised and intrigued by how specific the symptoms were. Maybe he will post here himself I don't want to put words in his mouth. But as I said, he took this very seriously despite the fact that he knows I binge drink on occasion and that over-drinking can and regularly does cause serious panic-type attacks which may develop in drinkers at any age no matter what their history.
One reason he (and therefore the hospital) took it seriously, despite doubts, is because he knows that I have absolutely zero history of panic attacks, overreacting, or any other mental or physical ailment for that matter.
He said he has some thoughts and will try to look into this some more when he has some free moments. But he said this could very well be a genuine physical issue in addition to anxiety induced by alcohol. Especially since the breathing and other symptoms are so specific.
However, a few things seem clear according to my brother and/or the other doctors who treated me:
1. No matter how bad it feels, this does not in any way appear to be immediately dangerous or life threatening.
2. No matter how strong the sensation of not being able to breathe, and not getting enough oxygen, lack of oxygen is NOT the problem. I stayed in hospital for 48 hours and they took my blood oxygen levels numerous times DURING the acute phase (4-5 hours), after the acute phase, and during 'normal' phases. In each case my body oxygen levels were precisely 100%. Indeed, out of all the tests they ran on me, the ONLY one that came back whacky was that I was "severely hyperventilating" even though I could swear I felt like I was breathing in slow-motion under water and with great effort. This went on for hours BTW. Hyperventilation, as I learned, is measured by observing abnormally LOW levels of CO2 in the blood and lungs.
3. My test results = 2 pages of every normal and some abnormal tests they could think of and they came back 100% normal. 2 sets of lung x-rays, 2 separate sets of extensive blood tests taken on both days, urine etc. I can post the list of tests done if anyone is interested.
4. Clearly, over-use of alcohol is the critical factor but may well need to work with one or more triggers to set of the specific symptoms described on this board. Also, it appears that it is no longer the actual presence of alcohol in the system that is causing immediate effects, rather, longer lasting changes in body chemistry as a result of too much drinking. Should be reversible though. People who have been drinking too much for their body can experience very odd, seemingly non-alcohol related symptoms. These can suddenly show up at any time in the drinkers 'career' (e.g. auditory or other hallucinations after drinking). Bad news is 'unusual' symptoms in drinkers, once they show up, tend to get worse with continued drinking.
Anyway my brother had a few specific ideas to check out on why these specific symptoms are showing up. I'd screw it up if I tried to re-explain it here. I will try to get him to follow up in the next 1-2 weeks just he is v. v. busy right before the holidays and after taking 2 days off to deal with me, I'm not going to whine about it. I'll get back to this board ASAP with any concrete usable info or solutions. Main thing is we can be pretty darn confident at this point that this is NOT something horrible that's going to kill us.
PS about me:
- 39 years old
- Work out a LOT but goes in phases
- Quit smoking months ago (because of this) - It had zero effect
- Was given xanax-type medication (a benzo but can't remember the brand) the last few weeks seems to have little effect
- Never had these problems b/f say 1 year ago. gotten much worse. my drinking has gone up a lot the last 2 years.
- Another change in my drinking patterns is I drink a lot more beer (hey I work in the Carribean goes with the territory!) and my first acute attack happened after drinking combo of beer and wine
- Not drinking plus working out seems to make symptoms disappear 96% after a few weeks. But it gets worse with each binge. Now I haven't had a drink in 6 days and its a lot better but still having 'mini-attacks' with the breathing.
- Been experimenting and, seriously, drinking a few cups of coffee, even today, seems to trigger or make worse the breathing like clockwork.
Sorry for the long-winded reply, hopefully if we all put our heads together we will find the solution.
All the best and merry X-mas.
Dru
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I appreciate the long winded note....trust me. The more information the better.
Yes...that is correct....I have not had any alcohol whatsoever in 2 months and I still have what you would call "mini attacks". The most severe attacks have always come after a night out with my friends.
I don't go out drinking alot anyway because of my career but when I do go out for a game or a holiday party/birthday I guess I do over drink. In fact, I know I over drink. The doctor said anything over 5 drinks is too much. I figure I average 8-12 drinks during a good football game with the guys.
When I was a bit younger binge drinking say Friday and Saturday night out with the guys was very normal......We all learned that in college.
I never drink more than 1 night since I have gotten older. I can't even look at a beer for days after I drink. None the less....it is still a form of binge drinking which is very common among young/middle aged adults.
So now I am baffled since I stopped drinking and still have shallow breathing on occasion and a freaking annoying cough or throat clearing thing. That sucks!!
Keep an eye on your food and drink. I don't want to feel this way again so it looks like it will be a very tame New Year!!!
Let me know what your bro the Doc says and I really appreciate your responses.
Have a nice Holiday brother!!!
Reguy40