Kidney Stone Info/Tricks from a guy who's passed more than 200!
269 answers - active on Feb 19th 2022
I looked through some of these posts and I see that a lot of people have kidney stone issues and have been, or are going through many of the situatios that I have. I have become a sefl-taught expert on kidney stones since I have passed over 200 in my lifetime. I have a congenital kidney disease called Medullary Sponge Kidney Disease and it causes me to make stones like most people grow fingernails.
When you pass that many stones, you get to know your body and tricks to make things less painful so I thought I'd come and tell of some experiences that might help others. In addition to passing more than 200, I've also been through 7 Lythotrypsies so I know all that as well.
I passed my first stone when I was 20. Typical severe pain in my left flank area, like a knife pushed deep and twisting. That lasted several hours and landed me in the E.R. It took me 3 weeks to pass that stone but I finally did. The pain is typically the most instense pain a man will ever go through. The way I know it's a stone is that no amount of re-positioning makes that pain better. It stays the same incredible intensity throughout the experience. For those who are not familiar with stones, the pain is caused when the stone is pushed down the ureters on the way to the bladded. Generally, you will pass a lot of blood the first few times this happens. Not usually bright red blood but very dark rust colored. I actually passed blood the day before the pain. Didn't know, at that time, what was going on but learned quick.
Over the years, I have so much scar tissue built up inside my ureters that I no longer pass any visible blood and seldom feel the stone passing down the ureters. I have even passed 8mm stones and never knew which side it came down because it didn't hurt. But that was after the first 50 or so.
I also know WHERE in the ureter the stone is by the type and location of pain. I know a stone is right near the opening to the bladder because I get this very regular spasm, about every second or so, but the pain is felt in the tip of the penis, as if the stone is actually stuck about 1/2 inch inside the urethra. But higher up the ureter the stone is, the deeper I feel the pain in my penis, ie: If the stone is 1" from the bladder, that spasming is about 1 & 1/2 inches from the tip of my penis. This is when I know I have to push a ton of water.
I generally know when the stone passes into the bladder as I get one more very intense sharp spasm... the kind that make you scream "OUCH"! Then I get ready for the next step... passing it through my penis. This is less painful than it sounds but always shocks the sh!t out of me, excuse my french. It almost always goes like this... I start peeing, and right near the end I feel the stone hit the exit of the bladder. I generally don't get the stone out then. Often it literally gets stuck in my urethra which is really painful and is noted by a sharp pain in that area when bending forward. Then I do this trick... I drink lots of water, wait until my bladder is really full and hit the bathroom. I then hold the very tip of my penis tightly so that no pee can come out. I release the stream, causing my urethra to expand (like in the cartoons when someone plugs a fire hose and a big bubble grows near the end), then I release my grip. This cause a huge, fast stream and generally pushes the trapped stone out. Often, I have to keep squeezing off the penis, over and over again while trying to keep urinating, eventually, I pass the stone. In cases where the stone is particularily large or difficult, I will fill the tub with very warm water, get in and get down on all fours, reaching back to perform the same squeezing technique. This allows you to pee underwater and point the penis straight down, an aid to getting it out of the lowest point in the bladder. Yes, I end up sitting in a bathtub full of water (and my own pee) but it works. I find a huge stone in the bottom of the tub. Then I simply shower.
Because I form stones so fast, they are generally very jagged, like quartz crystals with spikes on the ends. Stones that spend years froming are generally more round and easier to pass. But often, my stones don't show up on xray because they from so fast, they are not dense and therefore, not radio-opaque. This oftens causes me issues as new doctors think I'm faking a stone.
Another trick I use is when I have a stone stuck in my ureter for weeks or months. I go to the E.R. and have them hook me up to a normal sailine I.V. and push it wide open. This moves so much fluid through my kidneys that the stone often moves to the bladder with 2 hours. But this is not recommended for men over 50 as having that much fluid in your boday can cause a heart attack. Basically, you are simulating Congestive Heart Failure by having so much fluid going through your bloodstream. I haven't done the IV thing since I turned 50.
As to what causes my stones, they are almost always calcium-oxylate, the typical type. Drinking colas is the number one way people get these stones. But eating nuts is also not a good idea. Many people say coffee is bad (tea is very high in oxylates) but I actually drink only coffee for the past 5 years and have greatly reduced my stone issues. I do drink lots of coffee and some water too so I think the hydration alone is what's working. I spent 2 years drinking 2 bears a day... never created a stone in 2 years. But I couldn't keep my beer gut from forming. Beer is a great diuretic.
I also try to take a Flomax when I know I'm about to pass a stone. Makes it easier to release the prostate and get flow going.
These are just some of the things I've learned over the years. I hope they help someone. I came here today because I feel like I passed a stone into my bladder but have not been able to flush it out. And at least half the times I go to pee, there is nothing, no pain, no stone trying to exit the bladder near the end. This is very unusual for me. And it happened the same last month... felt I passed a stone but never did. So either I have one stuck in the bladder (which BTW happens often... the bladder is not smooth on the inside, it has lots of folds and crevices that like to hold onto stones) or I am experiencing prostate stones for the first time. I came here looking for symptoms of those as they are new to me.
Good luck to all. Drink lots of water!
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Mate i know how you feel sitting here on the head .24 years and quacks cant find a thing when i go .i pass one every couple of weeks never had diagnosis .but your discription of stones spot on and tricks well exactly the same im now on day 14 for this bugger though lol .glad im not the only one .
Bruce from scotland
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I'm right at their up with you. I've passed hundreds of kidney stones medullary sponge kidney. I've had 12 lithotrpsys this year alone. I'm in stage 4 kidney failure. I've had a stone stuck in my ureter for months around 4 millimeters I'm up urinating all night and day and at the end of my rope. Any information you have regarding medullary sponge kidney the cause or any helpful helpful tips
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Used your trick to get it out of my weenis. Worked! 3 week journey, my first. Over 4mm in size. THANKS!
Just passed an 8mm stone that "stuck" around for almost 2 months. "ill post a pic if itll let me.
I made fresh lemonade from my tree and some pure cane TJ's sugar to make it go down easier. I was told the same thing-drink at least 70-80oz of water a day, and I kept a few near my bed at night and sipped away when I couldn't sleep. I am a father of 2 children on summer break, and it was not easy nor convenient at all, but I chose to hold out as long as I could to pass it naturally and thank GOD it blasted out, it took 7 weeks, but I'm glad to be rid of this asteroid. Even the doc was starting to suggest surgery. No support from the "wife" at all, in fact, she just added more stress and worry to try to annoy me into surgery b/c it was inconvenient for her some how. I didnt bother her after the initial ER trip. They loaded me up with dulodid (not sure of the spelling, dont care atm), anti inflamatory(like advil), some anti-vomit, and of course the FloMax. I took the flomax on and off due to fked up side effects, and only took the dulodid a couple times when the pain got too intense. Ive passed around 6-8 stones that I am aware of, and only about 3-4 the hospital is aware of. I was, and still am very concerned about side effects from medications, so I try hard to stay off of them. but more so paranoid of life altering side effects from any invasive surgeries, even the lipsotripsy shock wave therapy has potential for infection and other side effects. My best advice is to try to be patient and pass them naturally, try to feel what your gut tells you about when to take the meds. Of course, drink water and make yourself fresh lemonade if you can, I used an old juicer that had been collecting dust-lol. Try not to drink those pre-made fruit drinks, theyre loaded with nasty processed sugar usually As far as the olive oil in the lemonade, your body filters most if not all of it out by the time it gets to the flushing part, at least I thought I read that somewhere. Its all such a blur from all the massive research I did to help this thing leave my body for the love of god. Those "Kidney treatment" and liquids and tablet are the fkrs that really piss me off.. they are PREYING on a very painful condition, that many do not understand. Those snake oil salesman remedies should be banned, but since they are "all natural" and have no regulations on them, they make outrageously false and misleading claims, just read thoroughly and youll start to see right through the rhetoric and bullshet that gives stone sufferers false hope and placebo effects at best. All those reviews are written by people paid to write them, and you will never have any way to verify a single review due to protection laws, perfect scenario for the snake oil salesmen eh? the one actually had a doctors clinical trial or testing, and I did a bit of research on that arse clown, and it was just a scam, and his "practice" had quite a few complaints and negative reviews that will more than likely be covered up asap. Anyway, with that said, I wish other stone sufferers a smooth and easy and quick passing of the stone(s). And Thank you all for your advice with your experiences. Its late and Im tired and I threw out my GD back a day after I passed the stone-lol, trying to get back to working out asap. Over 50 now, so I need to lighten up the training regimen. Oh, speaking of that, I just remembered, the stone seemed to stall out in my utera, behind my pelvis it was hiding from the only possible treatment I was going to try, the shock wave th. It was being stubborn and I searched my brain as to why this could be, ..... I had been lying around way more since I was suffering and waiting for the pain to return etc. Then something told me to start getting out of bed, out of the house, and just take an "emergency kit" with me of the meds etc throw up bag and urine cup thing etc. And I got out and kept moving, walking, etc. Went to the mall with the kids, walked around in utter discomfort, but kept moving. even went pokemon hunting around the neighborhood with my little ones, anything to keep mobile and "jogging & Jostling" my insides to dislodge that asteroid, and I swear to you all, THAT worked to get that basturd movin along and out the ol pipe. again, just my 2 cents, but it popped out fast after I got moving and stopped feeling paranoid about being out with my little ones vulnerable, and getting stuck reeling in pain somewhere surrounded by strangers and possible predators that might take advantage. yeah Im a dad and I worry about those things. again, my best to all the stone sufferers, stay strong and vigilant!
there is no study or proof of this. IMO, no, but the meds used to help it along might, even though they are supposed to help ED by relieving the pressure from an enlarged prostate which has been linked to ED. Always consult the experts
thats me, The Sicilian reply above. not sure why it put me as guest, wtf to that.
Drinking too much water can be fatal in rare circumstances. I think its called water intoxication. FDrink lots of water for your kidneys but dont over do it
Your trick helped me pass a huge stone. I can't thank you enough!
I feel your pain I'm a woman also and have had one 5mm for a month now and I'm constantly having to urinate and its quite annoying..
Thank you sir, the tip regarding holding the tip of penis and then releasing it really helped in ejecting the stone (about 1 cm in length and and 0.5 cm) in diameter after drinking plenty of water and attempting twice to do so. Thank you again