Contact Dr. Oren Zaidel at Southbay Gastro 310-539-2055, they are in Torrance and VERy close to you in LB. He is great.Wendy wrote:
i am on this board reading because i have had a lot of the same problems. I read one from George above and have to agree that Food has made the biggest difference for me. I have cut out all pain killers, red meat, oils and dressings, butter, alcohol, all sugar (other than fruit) and of course anything fried. I hope i can reduce my risk of another attack with the food i intake. Another HUGE thing is plenty of water and exercise to keep things moving well. my GI dr. in torrance, CA is great if anyone needs a referral and i have also been going to a Naturopathic dr. as well. I have to believe that what goes into our mouths is what triggers these attacks. i was a big wine drinker and took pain killers often for back pain, when i had the bad attack and think that must have had something to do with it. also, i had been taking antacids....leading up to my big attack and turns out i had no stomach issues. i think once the gallbladder is out, we are forever sensitive to that area being overworked....for our bodies to get rid of the toxins we put into our mouths. Another great tip is the Bragg's Apple Cider Vinegar, i now drink it about 3 x times a day with meals to help digest my food. i think it works. who knows. Good luck, i know first hand how scary it can be, because no dr.'s seem to realize how normal this problem is, not everyone has IBS in this world! would be great if doctors would learn to figure out the source of the problem and not suggest pills to deal with only the symptoms.
What is your Doctor's name? I'm in LB... was thinking of going to Cedars Sinai if my current surgeon, gastroenteroligist and primary doctor cannot come up with a plan of attack. Thanks!
I write this years later hoping to save someone the concern and worry I faced at the time.
A few times in the years following the removal of my gallbladder I had attacks, gallstone attacks (there can be no forgetting those!) and the doctors wanted to cut the Sphincter of Oddi, which they concluded finally after several ER visits--and denial by them that there could still be gallstones--but I refused. I'm glad I did, as it was the second last attack I ever had.
Conclusion, I had small gallstones, and small stones(my surgeon told me after), a few must have already been in the bile duct when the Laparoscopic surgery took place. Seems perfectly obvious now and so logical, just surprised the medical profession was so keen to look for other reasons or to find a more harsh solution than was necessary. It's been 3 years since my last attack, which was a roll around on the floor woozie with some discomfort the rest of the evening.
I now eat normally and sometimes worse. A little too greasy sometimes. But what used to really set me off was avocado, which is quite fatty(though healthy) and a food with one of the highest amounts of magnesium. Magnesium relaxes the muscles(the bile duct is a muscle-Epsom salts are largely comprised of magnesium, hence such a bath relaxes people thoroughly and can even gives them 'the runs'). And then the bile in the liver is triggered by the avocado's fat content, there's then a rush of bile from the liver, down the supple relaxed bile duct, pushing on any last stones, creating an attack. Just magnesium could cause an attack or just fat, the two together... definite attack for me.
Probably 5 of my attacks before and after had been started by avocado, and I love guacamole. So, yeah, patience anyone with those attacks. I wouldn't advocate surgery on the bile duct unless you've explored all your options and waited it out. Eventually all the stones, pebbles, sand, will pass. I now eat my old kryptonite, guacamole and avocados, daily. So, yeah, this will pass, or did in my case.
I would advocate a natural cure as opposed to getting the gallbladder removed, or at least trying it. I was too chicken but sometimes wish I had. Your digestive system will never be perfect again but no big problems.
And to avoid ever getting gallstones, too late for that now-- too much dairy and fat, bad fat, gallstones being comprised of cholesterol or calcium. And that's my take on it. Hope it helps somebody. Good luck.
Appreciate your reply..
I HAD MY GALLBLADDER REMOVED ALMOST 2 YEARS AGO BUT CONTINUE TO HAVE SYMPTOMS OFF AND OFF SINCE THEN. I SUSPECT THAT THERE MAY BE A STONE LEFT IN THE DUCT. WILL YOUR PRODUCT WORK UNDER THESE CIRCUMSTANCES?
The liver is what is imbalanced. The gallbladder only acts as a reservoir for the bile produced by the liver or at least did before your surgery. If an imbalance existed before, the likelihood is that it still exists, even after the gallbladder is removed. Removal of the gallbladder does not correct the imbalance as most individuals discover following surgery, nor does it prevent the liver from producing stones. Usually it creates additional problems such as a liver that now retains stones that it creates, (no place to go) increased acid reflux, a slower metabolism and additional weight gain because the bile flow has been restricted.
Gallbladder Complete will remove stones, debris and toxins from the liver just as it would in the gallbladder, rebalance the liver's bile flow, mineral levels and pH, speed up the metabolism again and in doing this, the issues of pain, indigestion, acid reflux, bloating, upset stomach, and others issues and symptoms will disappear.
Good luck! :)
Thank you for your time. Shawna
My wife had her gallbladder out and had these exact attacks for almost six months. No one could figure it out and many people seemed to think she was crazy. I knew she was not as I would see doubled over in agonizing pain for 30 minutes at a time every few weeks. We had used a great acupuncturist who had helped us get pregnant. She went to see him and hediagnosed her with costal costochondritis at the chondrosternal joints. Costochondritis is inflammationof the junctions where the upper ribs join with the cartilage that holds them to the breastbone or sternum. The condition causes localized chest wall pain and tenderness that you can reproduce by pushing on the involved cartilage in the front of the rib cage. He pushed this area when she went in and she screamed in pain like having an attack. I think pushing on her during the operation or maybe the incision effected this area and certain things trigger these attacks. Dr. Du has been treating this for the past 5 months and we have only had one attack since (1 month after the first treatment). It has been a God send. If you have questions or want to talk to me,
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Our doctor is in Roswell, GA and his name is Tianlong Du. Dr. Du is the man. I’d like to help anyone who suffers these terrible attacks so if you want a quick phone call, I’m glad to call you to discuss. Best of luck!
Theres a support website for sphincter of oddi if you are interested at all feel fre to contact me for the site
month after the initial ERCP (I've had 5!). I am struggling to have a normal life, but living with pain and being on morphine for 5 years has weighed heavily on me. Is there any relief out there for this?
Good Afternoon.
Could I please have the details of the support website.
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Donna
I am wondering if you've tried, or thought about going to a nutritionist? Not a dietitian, but a nutritionis, or nutrition response therapist. I am trying to get into one right now, because of a number of things, but now I do have pain/pressure right where my gallbladder used to be.
My mom and step dad have been going to one for several years, now, and so many of their ailments are no more. I'm not saying that conventional medicine doesn't have it's place, but so many times, they deal with the symptoms, not the source of what's going on, and they don't even know how to find it.
And don't be surprised if you ask your doctor about it and they say it's bull pucky. It's rare to find a doctor that is completely supportive of natural diagnosing and healing.
Interesting what you say about pain killers. I have some prescription ones for migraines. I stay away from them unless I really need them, but I do get migraines often, and when they are really bad, not even the pain killers will help. So, I'm wondering if that's what's causing my pressure/pain recently. Do you know of natural supplements that I can take to help? I have started taking Milk Thistle. I've also heard Alpha Lipoic Acid, for liver, but that you should take that with CoQ10. I just hate taking a million things, so I just started with the Milk Thistle.