Ok, so a lot of people have posted responses to this question and some of them are true and some of them are complete c**p. I will tell you what I know from experience and hours and hours of research. I took Suboxone but before I did, I made sure to know what it was and what to expect once I started taking it. I have tried to write this as neutrally as possible and have also tried to explain myself from both experience and a scientific point of view.
First, I can completely sympathize and empathize with the reasons why you have asked this question. Of course your heart is in the right place, and you are not happy being dependant on the substance which consumes a great deal of your life or maybe I'm wrong and you just can't afford it. Either way, that drug has been a huge part of your life and while you may not like all the negative consequences that the addiction brings, you are still in love with the way it makes you feel. Only those who know from experience can truly understand the way the drugs bring peace and serenity after they have been used. Its easy for some to say "well if you want to take oxy's still then you are not ready to quit." But the truth of the matter is that it is just too hard and overwhelming to say I will never use them again and you want to know that if you fail or slip up, the option of feeling the euphoria is there if you need it.
You can't truly ever quit until the pain of holding on becomes greater than the pain of letting go. Remember this also...drugs will always be there if you decide to go back.
I used to be addicted to heroin, which for all intensive purposes, is the same type of drug as oxy's and vico's and other opiates. Same family at least and same effects on the body and mind. I was at the height of my addiction when I was placed on Naltrexone which is different than Naloxone but works similarly. I took the meds and within 30 minutes I was pissing, sh**ting, and puking; all violently and all at the same time. Naltrexone will detox you immediately and painfully. Some people relate Naltrexone with Naloxone (one of the key ingredients in Suboxone) because they are perscribed for breaking the addiction and even sound nearly the same. They are different though.
I have also taken Suboxone. The ingredient Naloxone, which is they key ingredient in Narcan (the drug they give to you in instances of overdose) works to knock off opiates from opiate receptors in the brain is also an ingredient in suboxone. It works very well and will unbond those opiates in your brain. Consequently - it can cause you to experience withdrawal, although it is not nearly as intense as the other drug I have stated above. If you take Oxy's first and are heavily addicted, you will most likely (speaking from my experience and how I reacted) feel some withdrawal symptoms. That is why they instruct you to wait until the onset of withdrawal from refraining from the opiates of your choice. On the other hand, if you are on Suboxone first, and then decide to take those opiates after, you will be wasting your money and getting your hopes up for nothing, assuming that your intentions are to get a buzz. The Naloxone will continue blocking your opiod receptors and will not allow them to bond with the newly introduced opiates. The biggest problem you will experience here is that you will have gotten your hopes up only to be let down when the buzz never happens. You may feel a slight buzz that will leave you unsatisfied and longing to take more which can cause you to waste more money and possibly leading to other dire consequences.
The bottom line here is this: If you take the the opiates after being on the suboxone first, you will not get high (unless sufficient time has passed since taking - approx 30 hours for it to mostly be gone and 48 hours to be back to a virgin state)and will only get your hopes up, waste your money, and leave you unsatisfied. You will not go in to withdrawals or anything like that but you may experience an upset stomach (I did at least). If you take the oxy's first and then take the suboxone, you may experience some withdrawals from the Naloxone kicking the opiates off of your opiod receptors but should only last long enough for the buprenorphine to rebond to your opiod receptors. You will probably feel some mild withdrawal symptoms like hot flashes and nausea, thats what I felt. If you are in shape and drink enough water, those symptoms seem to be less bothersome.
First, I can completely sympathize and empathize with the reasons why you have asked this question. Of course your heart is in the right place, and you are not happy being dependant on the substance which consumes a great deal of your life or maybe I'm wrong and you just can't afford it. Either way, that drug has been a huge part of your life and while you may not like all the negative consequences that the addiction brings, you are still in love with the way it makes you feel. Only those who know from experience can truly understand the way the drugs bring peace and serenity after they have been used. Its easy for some to say "well if you want to take oxy's still then you are not ready to quit." But the truth of the matter is that it is just too hard and overwhelming to say I will never use them again and you want to know that if you fail or slip up, the option of feeling the euphoria is there if you need it.
You can't truly ever quit until the pain of holding on becomes greater than the pain of letting go. Remember this also...drugs will always be there if you decide to go back.
I used to be addicted to heroin, which for all intensive purposes, is the same type of drug as oxy's and vico's and other opiates. Same family at least and same effects on the body and mind. I was at the height of my addiction when I was placed on Naltrexone which is different than Naloxone but works similarly. I took the meds and within 30 minutes I was pissing, sh**ting, and puking; all violently and all at the same time. Naltrexone will detox you immediately and painfully. Some people relate Naltrexone with Naloxone (one of the key ingredients in Suboxone) because they are perscribed for breaking the addiction and even sound nearly the same. They are different though.
I have also taken Suboxone. The ingredient Naloxone, which is they key ingredient in Narcan (the drug they give to you in instances of overdose) works to knock off opiates from opiate receptors in the brain is also an ingredient in suboxone. It works very well and will unbond those opiates in your brain. Consequently - it can cause you to experience withdrawal, although it is not nearly as intense as the other drug I have stated above. If you take Oxy's first and are heavily addicted, you will most likely (speaking from my experience and how I reacted) feel some withdrawal symptoms. That is why they instruct you to wait until the onset of withdrawal from refraining from the opiates of your choice. On the other hand, if you are on Suboxone first, and then decide to take those opiates after, you will be wasting your money and getting your hopes up for nothing, assuming that your intentions are to get a buzz. The Naloxone will continue blocking your opiod receptors and will not allow them to bond with the newly introduced opiates. The biggest problem you will experience here is that you will have gotten your hopes up only to be let down when the buzz never happens. You may feel a slight buzz that will leave you unsatisfied and longing to take more which can cause you to waste more money and possibly leading to other dire consequences.
The bottom line here is this: If you take the the opiates after being on the suboxone first, you will not get high (unless sufficient time has passed since taking - approx 30 hours for it to mostly be gone and 48 hours to be back to a virgin state)and will only get your hopes up, waste your money, and leave you unsatisfied. You will not go in to withdrawals or anything like that but you may experience an upset stomach (I did at least). If you take the oxy's first and then take the suboxone, you may experience some withdrawals from the Naloxone kicking the opiates off of your opiod receptors but should only last long enough for the buprenorphine to rebond to your opiod receptors. You will probably feel some mild withdrawal symptoms like hot flashes and nausea, thats what I felt. If you are in shape and drink enough water, those symptoms seem to be less bothersome.
This will be my first, and last, post...
Let me start by addressing the people who say "if youre asking this question, youre not serious about quitting".. You people have clearly never been addicted to opioids, or you would know where the people asking these questions are coming from... Opioid addiction is very hard to conquer, and no matter weather youre on suboxone or not, youre still going to have oxy or other opioids in the back of your mind... I commend the people actually looking for information on the use and effects of suboxone instead of just taking it before or after taking oxy without any kind of knowledge of what could happen... I myself found this website by searching google to see if i could take OC about 12 hours after taking suboxone, because i ran out of suboxone - so there is a genuine and legitimate reason for these questions, no matter what the reason may be.
I did in fact decide to take 30mg of OC, about 12 hours after taking an 8mg suboxone... I felt the effects about 75% of what they would normally be - so yes, the opioids get partially blocked (depending on how long you waited after taking the suboxone), but it will not make you sick...
I hope this helps anybody looking for information. But please note, this is only my personal experience - not scientific fact.
Good luck everyone.
Let me start by addressing the people who say "if youre asking this question, youre not serious about quitting".. You people have clearly never been addicted to opioids, or you would know where the people asking these questions are coming from... Opioid addiction is very hard to conquer, and no matter weather youre on suboxone or not, youre still going to have oxy or other opioids in the back of your mind... I commend the people actually looking for information on the use and effects of suboxone instead of just taking it before or after taking oxy without any kind of knowledge of what could happen... I myself found this website by searching google to see if i could take OC about 12 hours after taking suboxone, because i ran out of suboxone - so there is a genuine and legitimate reason for these questions, no matter what the reason may be.
I did in fact decide to take 30mg of OC, about 12 hours after taking an 8mg suboxone... I felt the effects about 75% of what they would normally be - so yes, the opioids get partially blocked (depending on how long you waited after taking the suboxone), but it will not make you sick...
I hope this helps anybody looking for information. But please note, this is only my personal experience - not scientific fact.
Good luck everyone.
take your subs only if you're not looking to do the oc for at least a few days. the sub will obviously keep you from withdrawing with minimal, but significant pain relief. Why would you want to take oxy and sub in the same day...if it's the OC you want, just wait a couple days for the sub to fade and get your money's worth.
to the dude that was asking if he should take an 8mg sub and hes not big on opiates or opioides... thats not a grand idea.. the active opiate in suboxone is buprenorphine, which per mg is about 20-35 times as strong as morphine... so unless you enjoy uncontrollable vomiting, respiratory arrest and heart failure, you might want to start out with at the most 1/8th of that pill.. good luck.
OK This is the Deal,
I'm addicted to oxys. I receive Suboxone treatment with my first intentions being to stop taking oxy alltogether, but I usually wind up taking oxy on the weekends and subs durring the week. The way it works is if you take suboxone then take oxycontin. it takes alot more oxy to feel it depending on how much sub you do, if you do a whole 8 mgs of suboxone its almos not worth taking the oxy becasue you wont feel it too much.
Taking oxycontin then taking suboxone will most definitly put you into withdrawls. There is a catch though. If you take for example 1/2 an 8mg sub (4mgs) in the day then that night take i dont know say 80 mgs of oxycontin you will feel some effect. then the next day you can take another suboxon and not go into any kind of withdrawals becasue you still have some suboxone in your system from the 4mgs of sub you took the day before. This is the way I've been living. I cant string to many days of oxy together becasue then i run out of Sub in my system and have to wait till im in Oxy withdrawal to take my next dose of sub.
If you do take a Sub while your on oxycontin its not THAT bad. you will go into pretty bad withdrawal for about a 1/2 hour till the Sub kicks all the oxy off the receptors, then the sub will start to work and you'll feel better. Thats why I say it's not that bad becasue it's only for like a 1/2 hour but you do feel pretty shitty for that 1/2 hour.
What I want to know is if your not physically addicted can you take oxycontin say Sat and Sunday, then not do anything all week and feel ok. I would like to still be able to take oxys every once in a while but stop taking the Subs all the time. Some people say its to slippery of a slope to take oxys every now and then and not get addicted again. I am too depressed when I don't take any Oxys ever. If I could take it every weekend I could get through the week and look forward to the weekends. I can't picture life without taking any painkillers. There too much fun and feel too good. I wish there was no such thing as withdrawals, it sucks. Also can I keep going the way I am, taking Subs during the week and Oxys durring the weekend? what will happen if I continue this way? MY tollerance stays in check if not goes down becasue I dont take it every day. Will this keep me depressed and the only cure is to stop everytihing and ween off the sub?I am happy on the weekends when I can take the oxycontin. and the week isn't terrible while on subs, I can still work and and do stuff like after work activities like having a few beers at the bar. My Sub doctor says hes gonna stop giving me subs if I dont go to a group meeting, he says that groups are the only thing that work and a psychiatrist like I suggested wouldn't work. I think that meetings are grimey, I dont wanna sit in a meeting with a bunch of ju...s, that to me sounds like rock bottom.
I'm addicted to oxys. I receive Suboxone treatment with my first intentions being to stop taking oxy alltogether, but I usually wind up taking oxy on the weekends and subs durring the week. The way it works is if you take suboxone then take oxycontin. it takes alot more oxy to feel it depending on how much sub you do, if you do a whole 8 mgs of suboxone its almos not worth taking the oxy becasue you wont feel it too much.
Taking oxycontin then taking suboxone will most definitly put you into withdrawls. There is a catch though. If you take for example 1/2 an 8mg sub (4mgs) in the day then that night take i dont know say 80 mgs of oxycontin you will feel some effect. then the next day you can take another suboxon and not go into any kind of withdrawals becasue you still have some suboxone in your system from the 4mgs of sub you took the day before. This is the way I've been living. I cant string to many days of oxy together becasue then i run out of Sub in my system and have to wait till im in Oxy withdrawal to take my next dose of sub.
If you do take a Sub while your on oxycontin its not THAT bad. you will go into pretty bad withdrawal for about a 1/2 hour till the Sub kicks all the oxy off the receptors, then the sub will start to work and you'll feel better. Thats why I say it's not that bad becasue it's only for like a 1/2 hour but you do feel pretty shitty for that 1/2 hour.
What I want to know is if your not physically addicted can you take oxycontin say Sat and Sunday, then not do anything all week and feel ok. I would like to still be able to take oxys every once in a while but stop taking the Subs all the time. Some people say its to slippery of a slope to take oxys every now and then and not get addicted again. I am too depressed when I don't take any Oxys ever. If I could take it every weekend I could get through the week and look forward to the weekends. I can't picture life without taking any painkillers. There too much fun and feel too good. I wish there was no such thing as withdrawals, it sucks. Also can I keep going the way I am, taking Subs during the week and Oxys durring the weekend? what will happen if I continue this way? MY tollerance stays in check if not goes down becasue I dont take it every day. Will this keep me depressed and the only cure is to stop everytihing and ween off the sub?I am happy on the weekends when I can take the oxycontin. and the week isn't terrible while on subs, I can still work and and do stuff like after work activities like having a few beers at the bar. My Sub doctor says hes gonna stop giving me subs if I dont go to a group meeting, he says that groups are the only thing that work and a psychiatrist like I suggested wouldn't work. I think that meetings are grimey, I dont wanna sit in a meeting with a bunch of ju...s, that to me sounds like rock bottom.
Guest and Shannonspice - you guys are idiots - why go through the trouble and expense of suboxone and then try to circumvent the reason you're taking it. If you want to continue using oxy then save the expense of the suboxone. Until you want the help, and freedom from being enslaved by a drug, no treatment program or family's wishes will work. You have got to want to be clean before any treatment works. If you're not serious about getting clean quit wasting everyone's time and pretending like your making an effort. The only time treatment will ever work is when you want it to work. If you haven't pulled yourself out of the gutter or disappointed your family and friends enough then you are probably not ready for real treatment.
Yes you will be fine.
If you took your regular dose of sub .. and later that night did some oxy (even though this may or may not be effective) then you can take your sub dose the next morning .. its no problem .. people do this all the time. Just dont reverse that process. Precipitated withdrawals is very very real.
Another caution. You CAN overdose on subs and another powerful opiate. If you think the suboxone blocks ALL your mu receptors you are delusional. In this way heroin addicts can potentially overdose by overpowering the suboxone and breaking through. The CNS effects of this strong opiate and the bupenorphine can cause a fatal supression of the respitory system ...
If you took your regular dose of sub .. and later that night did some oxy (even though this may or may not be effective) then you can take your sub dose the next morning .. its no problem .. people do this all the time. Just dont reverse that process. Precipitated withdrawals is very very real.
Another caution. You CAN overdose on subs and another powerful opiate. If you think the suboxone blocks ALL your mu receptors you are delusional. In this way heroin addicts can potentially overdose by overpowering the suboxone and breaking through. The CNS effects of this strong opiate and the bupenorphine can cause a fatal supression of the respitory system ...
i have been clean of oxys and dope for one year, 5 months and 11 days. i take 4 mg suboxone in the morning, 4 mg at night. i broke my wrist in 4 places while sparring with a guy in my MMA class. im typing this with one hand. i havent taken asuboxone since 10 pm last night. if i wait 24 hrs and do an 80 OC and a 40 OC, will it work. then tomorrow, i will resume my suboxone routine. if u have any of the answers i seek. if u wanna ball me out for relapsing when this morning my wrist was hanging by a couple of ligaments, save urself the time, i wont even open the email or answer ur im. thanks everyone!
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I have degenerative Bone diease and my wife has collapsed discs in her neck and back we are both on oxycotin and we are at the point where the dose the Dr give us is not strong enough that we end up goin through our scripts faster than we are supposed to we both understand that we are now hooked on these meds but we dont know what to do about the meds and pain?? Anyone have any helpfull info for us????
i took 12 mg of subs yestrday, its been 24 hrs, when i get them it will be 26hrs, will i feel the full affect?
Suboxone is compound including both opiod agonists and antogonists. The agonist binds to the opiod receptors thereby both eliminating withdrawl symptoms and mitigating future urges to use. The agonists mirrors the effects of opiods and therefore your brain believes it the required levels of the chemical so withdrawl symproms will not set in...suboxone achieves this without any of the psychosomatic effects of opiods...i.e. the high and all it involves.
The antagonist part of suboxone is called naloxone (slightly different than naltrexone which is used in the ER counter the effects of opiods in an overdose). What must be noted about naloxone is that its bioavailability is extremely low unless taken intravenously, or injected...when taken subligually...disolved under the tongue, or when ingested...swallowed or snorted...very little is actually absorbed by the body, i.e. it has a very low bioavailability unless it is injected...as such, the only way to activate the naloxone (create an antagonistic effect where the chemical is actually ripping opiods from opiod receptors, is if the opiods were introduced intravenously...if you inject say, oxycontin or heroin, and then take suboxone that same day, withdrawl symptoms will be precipitated expediently and severely. However, if the oxy or heroin was only snorted, the naloxone will have very little if any effect as far as precipitating withdrawl symptoms.
If you've been taking subs for some time your tolerance to opiods has increased and even if you discontinue use of subs for a few days, you will still require more oxy or heroin to get high than you did prior to taking subs...and if you contine using for a protracted period of time, your tolerance will continue to increase...and if this persists for say, a month or more...you will befinitely want to wait approximately two days before introducing subs into your body again...otherwise you will become even sicker, the withdrawl sympotms will get worse, maybe worse than you've ever experienced, worse than imaginable...even if you were only snorting the oxy or heroin. With long protracted use, the drug is stored up in mucus membranes and other tissue where it doesn't metabolize as quickly, as such it remains in your system and slwoly works its way out, even if it isn't detected in a urine anaylsis...as such, even with the miniscul bioavailability of the naloxone, it will precipitate severe withdrawl symptoms...that's why, in this case, you want to wait at least two days and make sure you are in severe withdrawl...really, you want to make sure you are at the peak of your withdrawl symptoms...at which point you can take the subs and even enjoy them as they will diminish and even elimiate your symptoms.
However, it is not a miracle drug and will not cure the reasons you abused opiods in the first place. That is why counseling and even some behavior modification is often times necessary. And if you are like me, you probably don't want to be on subs for the rest of your life...if that's the case you may as well be on methadone, which truly is a scourge on the opiod using masses as it is a drug very very few ever get off of, some are able to titrate their dose, but never discontinue use all together.
Be careful and monitor your usage, remember the amount of time elapsed between doses, and keep in mind how you feel...be cogniscent of all these things if you are transitioning from opiods such as oxy, hydo, and/or heroin to suboxone. Subutex does not have the opiod antagonist so you do not have to worry about precipitating withdrawl symptoms...however, subutex is only prescibed for pain management, not opiod abuse and tolerance...so don't ask for it if you're only a junkie without pain management issues./
The antagonist part of suboxone is called naloxone (slightly different than naltrexone which is used in the ER counter the effects of opiods in an overdose). What must be noted about naloxone is that its bioavailability is extremely low unless taken intravenously, or injected...when taken subligually...disolved under the tongue, or when ingested...swallowed or snorted...very little is actually absorbed by the body, i.e. it has a very low bioavailability unless it is injected...as such, the only way to activate the naloxone (create an antagonistic effect where the chemical is actually ripping opiods from opiod receptors, is if the opiods were introduced intravenously...if you inject say, oxycontin or heroin, and then take suboxone that same day, withdrawl symptoms will be precipitated expediently and severely. However, if the oxy or heroin was only snorted, the naloxone will have very little if any effect as far as precipitating withdrawl symptoms.
If you've been taking subs for some time your tolerance to opiods has increased and even if you discontinue use of subs for a few days, you will still require more oxy or heroin to get high than you did prior to taking subs...and if you contine using for a protracted period of time, your tolerance will continue to increase...and if this persists for say, a month or more...you will befinitely want to wait approximately two days before introducing subs into your body again...otherwise you will become even sicker, the withdrawl sympotms will get worse, maybe worse than you've ever experienced, worse than imaginable...even if you were only snorting the oxy or heroin. With long protracted use, the drug is stored up in mucus membranes and other tissue where it doesn't metabolize as quickly, as such it remains in your system and slwoly works its way out, even if it isn't detected in a urine anaylsis...as such, even with the miniscul bioavailability of the naloxone, it will precipitate severe withdrawl symptoms...that's why, in this case, you want to wait at least two days and make sure you are in severe withdrawl...really, you want to make sure you are at the peak of your withdrawl symptoms...at which point you can take the subs and even enjoy them as they will diminish and even elimiate your symptoms.
However, it is not a miracle drug and will not cure the reasons you abused opiods in the first place. That is why counseling and even some behavior modification is often times necessary. And if you are like me, you probably don't want to be on subs for the rest of your life...if that's the case you may as well be on methadone, which truly is a scourge on the opiod using masses as it is a drug very very few ever get off of, some are able to titrate their dose, but never discontinue use all together.
Be careful and monitor your usage, remember the amount of time elapsed between doses, and keep in mind how you feel...be cogniscent of all these things if you are transitioning from opiods such as oxy, hydo, and/or heroin to suboxone. Subutex does not have the opiod antagonist so you do not have to worry about precipitating withdrawl symptoms...however, subutex is only prescibed for pain management, not opiod abuse and tolerance...so don't ask for it if you're only a junkie without pain management issues./
Heres a stupid comment, why dont you check out the medical facts on the suboxone site, dont ever take someones word on anything, like the guy above me says, you never know who your dealing with, in turn you could hurt yourself, who knows, maybe they can take oxycotin and suboxone at the same time and they feel 2 different buzzes maybe, but our bodies are all different, everything effects people differently, so the only way to find out your answers is to experiment and find out for yourself how your body works, bottem line is, check out the medical sites if you want information, its the best way to go about things, if you care about living...
google suboxone and find out their certified site
google suboxone and find out their certified site
That is crazy about how I am hearing it is soo dangerous to take xanax and Sub together. I just was prescribed sub yesterday.. So far i have to say that this is a miracle drug. I have no cravings no withdrawal symptoms nothing. I feel like a different person already. My doc did prescribe xanax with my subs for sleep though ( i took one last night before bed time) so my question is how dangerous is it really to take sub and xanax at the ssame time ? and if it is so dangerous why would my doctor prescribe it to me ? thanks a bunch to anyone who can answer>>
If you are taking suboxone, take nothing else. I wouldn't take it period. My son's friends took it and got very very ill. My 17 year old son came home that same night, but I found him in the morning. It took 3 months to figure out why a healthy 17 year old went to sleep and never woke up. He died. THis is a very powerful drug. How many other pills if you take it and something else you die or the mortality rate is 87%? He had xanax and suboxone in his system.
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naloxone is a full an antagonist, not suboxone. suboxone is a partial agonist. you had it wrong my friend.
But, you can take OC on Subox. The danger is that you may not feel any "buzz" because Subox blocks the receptors. It is a full antagonist. DO NOT take more and more OC because you "aren't feeling anything" or you could OD.
naloxone is a full an antagonist, not suboxone. suboxone is a partial agonist. you had it wrong my friend.