tramadol is not a good substitute, i think tramadol is the worst i start withdrawing from this stuff before the end of the day. someone said way earlier posts that tramadol does something else mentally and thats so true because i just dont get motivation out of any other opiate like i do trams. this is my first day but i am a light user so nothing but a couple bad days at work ahead for me. i go through withdrawals frequently tho as since i dont have a steady supplier. i feel exceptionally better right now after taking some alka seltzers has like 15mg of dextro and 1000mg of aspirin i think the aspirin is helping big time but i have to go clean a building now which is going to turn a 2 hour job into 4 if im lucky. i find that caffine, cigs and weed make me feel way worse. its that full body discomfort that just makes me have to lay down to feel comfortable. reading all these post really has enspired me to quit tho so thanks everyone. o and i find staying warm helps the discomfort.
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Quote:I posted here a year or two ago. Back on another WD but its not bad, only about a month max of usage and a couple of off days in there as well. I'm around 48 hours in and while it sucks, it is getting better. I'm glad I got off when I did because the WD has been shitty but manageable and much quicker. I'd think I will fell much better tomorrow and be fine in 5 or 6 days.
This time I used the same tactic. Taper off, always always taper. The key is not to be high but to reduce your dose to allow you to function. This makes things much easier. If you have had a shorter and not very heavy habit you can get away with halving your dose.
Things I've found helpful:
1. Take some Ibuprofen/Alieve/Tylenol
2. Don't be afraid of Marijuana if you like it. Keep the doses low, like a hit or two. Too much could give anxiety.
3. A few low ABV beers in the evening. again, if you like them
4. Some kind of diphenhydramine (bendryl, Tylenol PM, simply sleep) to help sleep
5. Some kind of smootie, fruit if you cannot eat. Get some food in your stomach for whatever you do.
6. Most important, a positive desire and a true desire to quit. You really have to want to do it. Its not fun.
Ride it out and if you can get out and do something if you can. It kinda feels like a reintroduction into society.[/img]
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Those damn TRAMADOL are DEMONS man, i mean theyre good while you got them but damn the minute you run out, its HELL!!!Ive been addicted to opiates for almost 12years and i think id rather go through oxy wds than tramadol anyday! Im trying to quit the c**p myself right now, i made it 4days and then hooked up with an old friend and did a roxy so now im right back at the beginning and my life is really sucking right now! I think ive tried every home remedie thats out there and all they ever did for me is pissed me off!! Ive been through detox programs and rehabs and all that good stuff and ended up coming out everytime and going to get a pill, so this time im doing somethin a little different. Im handing my life and all my problems over to God cause i cant handle the c**p anymore. And I guess Im going to continue to suffer through the wds for a few more days and im hoping and praying that they wont last much longer than that. And most importantly for me is to stay out of the damn drs offices and e.rs. So if theres anybody out there that believes this will work, will you PLEASE PRAY for me and i'll do the same for you! Ive finally after 12 yrs have had enough. I miss my girls and the rest of my family and I know I cant get them back being a strung out junkie." SO IM DONE!!!!!"
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Today is my first day of wd. Woke up with horrible back and leg aches. I have been on hereoin for about a year. And since then have wd about 3 times. It is really hard cause my family doesn't know but at the same time I am glad. I have been missing a bunch of family events and stuff latley. I have other medical issues so I just tell my family I not feeling good so it works. I have been drinking this probiotics yogurt cause it hard to eat and I taking norcos just one it helps take the edge off. I rely of those. It hard cause I still have a little bit of hereoin left but not going to do it I just decided last night to stop. I don't want to do them any more I am tired of loosing all my money abd work don't get me started with that. And it makes my medical condition worse as it is. I am really going to stop I am evening looking to move out of the city to get away from others drug users I know and start fresh. So this is day one of coming clean for the rest of my life.
I have a very special somebody in my life that has almost died 3 times from Oxy. She started years back with the help of her doctor and then couldn't stop. She is on day 2 cold turkey. I know she has done this before but the hell she goes thru. She tiny but has great muscle mass. What can I do to keep her on track besides her wanting to change this terrible habit. I thank you all for your words of wisdom and congratulate you all for being strong and finding a better purpose in life. :-)
Here is my story on my life with morphine and methadone addiction. Seven years ago I started dating the love of my life I had just turned 40 I was thin beautiful and in shape. I had an active life with no addictions and really was in a good place professionally and personally.
My boyfriend and I started sharing the morphine and we had a blast doing it but before you knew it I was addicted. To get off meant withdrawing and that was too painful.
Suddenly after three years on morphine his doctor changed him to methadone and I had no choice but to follow on the same path.
If I knew then what I know now I would never have gone that route. Know one knew in my life and I was not monitored by a medical doctor.
I stayed on methadone for 4 years gained close to 50 lbs and all I wanted to do was sleep i no longer had joy in my life. I certainly didn't have any sex not even cuddling I just existed with the odd joyous moment.
I had to leave to make the proper changes in my life and I did. He helped me withdraw and once I moved I also had enough methadone from him to continue my slow taper to 2 mg then I was done.
The detox has been painful in some ways the worse is insomnia but my system is very fragile so any caffeine and Im up the entire night.
I still haven't told my doctor but did tell him I had serious insomnia so he gave me valium and sleeping pills. The valium makes me worse and I don't want anything addiction so I only use it when I have to.
I have started smoking pot because it totally chills me out and my anxiety is through the roof. Its been a long slow process but so worth it.
I have my life back I feel so much better and its only the beginning. I have met someone new and my sex drive has come back again.
I think I quickly lost 20 lbs and Im starting to work out slowly.
I also quit smoking because thats a piece of cake compared to methadone withdrawel.
To anyone that is taking this and doesn't need to or needs to and wants more for their lives DO IT.
Get it out of your life for good I feel so much better
My boyfriend and I started sharing the morphine and we had a blast doing it but before you knew it I was addicted. To get off meant withdrawing and that was too painful.
Suddenly after three years on morphine his doctor changed him to methadone and I had no choice but to follow on the same path.
If I knew then what I know now I would never have gone that route. Know one knew in my life and I was not monitored by a medical doctor.
I stayed on methadone for 4 years gained close to 50 lbs and all I wanted to do was sleep i no longer had joy in my life. I certainly didn't have any sex not even cuddling I just existed with the odd joyous moment.
I had to leave to make the proper changes in my life and I did. He helped me withdraw and once I moved I also had enough methadone from him to continue my slow taper to 2 mg then I was done.
The detox has been painful in some ways the worse is insomnia but my system is very fragile so any caffeine and Im up the entire night.
I still haven't told my doctor but did tell him I had serious insomnia so he gave me valium and sleeping pills. The valium makes me worse and I don't want anything addiction so I only use it when I have to.
I have started smoking pot because it totally chills me out and my anxiety is through the roof. Its been a long slow process but so worth it.
I have my life back I feel so much better and its only the beginning. I have met someone new and my sex drive has come back again.
I think I quickly lost 20 lbs and Im starting to work out slowly.
I also quit smoking because thats a piece of cake compared to methadone withdrawel.
To anyone that is taking this and doesn't need to or needs to and wants more for their lives DO IT.
Get it out of your life for good I feel so much better
Been posting on this thread for close to three years, I am the one that usually does day by day updates:
Anyways I am feeling good, had one tiny 5 day relapse but of course I threw some cocaine on top which is not good. Anyways all good now. Got on the anti-depressent and also a medication called buproprion which is really helping me alot. I'm still struggling to accept that most likely I cannot use most substance (starting to get to the point where I am just going to stop). That will come with time.
Next major thing for me is going to be a move out of my city. Actually going to start looking for jobs in the area I want to head to. Going to start putting the large majority of my paychecks towards having a bankroll. As I've mentioned I work with severely abused children and am burning out and cannot take it much longer (getting close to three years). It plays a roll in my drinking and opiate relapses for sure (don't get me wrong, I am the ultimate cause).
Just want people to know Tramadol (which I never took) has SNRI properties which makes it similar to anti-depressants in a way. That is why the withdrawal is unique.
Hope all is well and hang in there you can get over it.
One thing I will suggest now (and only if you control it) is to get a ahold of some benzos just enough for a few days.
Anyways I am feeling good, had one tiny 5 day relapse but of course I threw some cocaine on top which is not good. Anyways all good now. Got on the anti-depressent and also a medication called buproprion which is really helping me alot. I'm still struggling to accept that most likely I cannot use most substance (starting to get to the point where I am just going to stop). That will come with time.
Next major thing for me is going to be a move out of my city. Actually going to start looking for jobs in the area I want to head to. Going to start putting the large majority of my paychecks towards having a bankroll. As I've mentioned I work with severely abused children and am burning out and cannot take it much longer (getting close to three years). It plays a roll in my drinking and opiate relapses for sure (don't get me wrong, I am the ultimate cause).
Just want people to know Tramadol (which I never took) has SNRI properties which makes it similar to anti-depressants in a way. That is why the withdrawal is unique.
Hope all is well and hang in there you can get over it.
One thing I will suggest now (and only if you control it) is to get a ahold of some benzos just enough for a few days.
I joined and posted here because of getting off codeine. I can't find the original thread that I first posted on with the great information about the withdrawal symptoms I was going through and how long they would last, but the worst of it was over quick.
Weaning off is the way to go. The only reason I did it is because they are not available OTC in Hong Kong and I couldn't mail order my nurofen+'s from the same place I did before.
If you take 2 (or more) at a time normally just go down to one. You won't even notice the difference, though you might take them slightly more often at first. After about 2 weeks, start thinking every time you take one and don't just pop it. Think if you want it or not first. It will help you cut down.
After that, I'd say for about 3 weeks, consciously cut down the number you take a day. Try to take one less each day if you can without getting jittery. When you're down to about 4 a day (depending on what you're taking), get about 20 more and know those are the last ones you will ever take. Make them last as long as you can (you'll be surprised) and after that no more.
I'd run out before without weaning and it was hell, really hell. With weaning it's not bad at all.
The first 4 days will be really uncomfortable anyway, weaning or not. I used:
1. immodium for the diarrhea
2. regular panadols for the psychological effect and aches
3. Neosed cold tablets for the runny nose and sneezing
I had a crazy runny nose and sneezing as well, which is not uncommon. I took a couple of neosed (codeine free!) cold tablets when I had to function at the worst of times, but kind of liked the sneezing and runny nose to take my mind of the jittery withdrawal feeling, if that makes any sense. I was also sure never to take more than 6 of any of the above a day.
It gets better after 4 days, for sure. I'm on day 10 now and feel real proud of myself and back to normal. I still get the odd runny nose and diarrhea, but withdrawal symptoms are gone.
Now, off to find the thread with the great advice on it again so I can post my thanks! Good luck!
Weaning off is the way to go. The only reason I did it is because they are not available OTC in Hong Kong and I couldn't mail order my nurofen+'s from the same place I did before.
If you take 2 (or more) at a time normally just go down to one. You won't even notice the difference, though you might take them slightly more often at first. After about 2 weeks, start thinking every time you take one and don't just pop it. Think if you want it or not first. It will help you cut down.
After that, I'd say for about 3 weeks, consciously cut down the number you take a day. Try to take one less each day if you can without getting jittery. When you're down to about 4 a day (depending on what you're taking), get about 20 more and know those are the last ones you will ever take. Make them last as long as you can (you'll be surprised) and after that no more.
I'd run out before without weaning and it was hell, really hell. With weaning it's not bad at all.
The first 4 days will be really uncomfortable anyway, weaning or not. I used:
1. immodium for the diarrhea
2. regular panadols for the psychological effect and aches
3. Neosed cold tablets for the runny nose and sneezing
I had a crazy runny nose and sneezing as well, which is not uncommon. I took a couple of neosed (codeine free!) cold tablets when I had to function at the worst of times, but kind of liked the sneezing and runny nose to take my mind of the jittery withdrawal feeling, if that makes any sense. I was also sure never to take more than 6 of any of the above a day.
It gets better after 4 days, for sure. I'm on day 10 now and feel real proud of myself and back to normal. I still get the odd runny nose and diarrhea, but withdrawal symptoms are gone.
Now, off to find the thread with the great advice on it again so I can post my thanks! Good luck!
I used to be one year clean and an active member of AA/NA with two sponsees. Last year my wife left me for a short while with our 1 year old son due to an alcohol relapse. She is now preg with our second child. Four months ago my mother moved in with us who is dying of lung cancer, which gave me direct access to unlimited 8 mg hydromorphone/dilaudid and 100 mcg fentynal patches. The temptation got me and what started as popping a pill turned into injecting 24-40 mg of dilaudid every 3-4 hours. This has been my M.O. for about three months. So, the guilt of using finally got me and I quit the opiates a week and a half ago. I stepped down using fentynal, but eventually had to go overnight at an emergency room, where they gave me a clonidine patch and adivan to sleep that night. But that was it. So, my wife thinks that's from "being dehydrated due to the flu" Lord, the lies I'll tell. Anyway, I don't have the heart to tell my sponsees I relapsed and I CAN'T tell my wife or I'll be divorced and lose my children. All the physical w/d's are gone but the insomnia is relentless. I sleep maybe three hours every 48 hours, and that's with taking sominex with two beers and a hit of high end pot. When does the insomnia end?? I used to use heroin years ago and I don't remember it being this rough. I went to treatment and after detox slept every night. Now, I can't sleep, is it possibly I'm older, or the dilaudid is a lot different than dope. Don't know, but neeeeeeeeedddddd some sleep. I'm unemployed and care for a 2 year old every day (which was a joy during early w/d's let me tell ya, I changed a diaper while sitting on the toilet LOL). Just venting I guess, I've been searching everywhere 4 insomnia cures. Soooo, when can I expect to sleep normal again???? Best of luck and prayers to those going through early w/d's, we can do this, even if we are awake every freakin' second of the day, LOL.
this is a reply to most of the posts that are on this site. I have been addicted to methadone for the better part of the decade. I have quit, and relapsed several times, this is due to me not truly wanting to quit. I've been overseas, and had to quit bc of the lack of narcotics. This time I have been off the methadone for almost two months. Sadly I am still in my 2nd phase of withdrawals bc of my brilliant idea to treat one narcotic with another. This is definitely not the way to go. I have although found a very helpful way to self treat my symptoms. If you have access to some benzos it will help if you taper yourself down by switching back and forth between the two, slowly decreasing the dosage every few days. Plenty of rest, and hot baths will help a little as well. A high Carb diet, high in fat will also help with the low energy and fatigue. After the first week it is a good idea to get as much exercise as possible. This will release endorphines to help with the pain, and restlessness (try to focus on the legs). It has been a very hard road for me, but this time I am committed 100%, and that is the hardest part of the whole deal.
i have read your note . please tell me if the tree plant works i have been doing oxy for 3 years or longer im f**k up now on oxys i want to get off them so bad it hurts i have a 2 years old lil girl . and i need to be a father to her and not to the oxys . i know how it feels to get off them been and done that but im on them more thin ever now me and my twiin brother we want off but want the best way to do it . please let me know if the tree plant leaf works . :'(
I have heard of many alternative forms of medicine for opiate withdrawal. Through my experience I realized that one persons remedy may not work for the next guy. I decided to build a web page where I could compile all the various opiate withdrawal remedies that I had found. You can find the address for this page in my profile and anyone is welcome to stop by, leave a comment, or even contact me about material to add. As I said before not all remedies will work for each individual. During my detox experience I found that ginger and chamomile tea work great for nausea. I also took valerian root at night for the insomnia, and I found that 5-HTP worked great for the depression and anxiety I was feeling. Unfortunately pain was probably the worst part, and the only symptom that was hard to control with natural medication. But nobody said the detox process was going to be easy, and taking asprin or aleve helped me cope with the pain which was just what I needed to get clean. I wish everyone the best of luck, and my advice to you is to find support from friends and family because it will make all the difference in the end.
Alright heres my deal. Right L5 herniated 23 years ago, Left L4 herniated as well. Have been treating it for past 18 years through chiroparactic care(maintenance). 8 months ago moved 800 miles away. Long story short, been buying percocet 15mg and 30 mg tabs off the street for 6 months. Honestly it was for recreation purposes. Gave me energy and snorted 15 or a half 30 mg a day, 6 days a week, and take off sunday. That quickly changed. Last four months I snort 60 mg a day(30 bucks street value), 7 days a week. I no longer get the amped good feeling, just makes me normal. I decided to quit cold turkey, having problems, found this thread. Thanks to all. I still have 2 30mg percs. Actually decided to taper off and just snorted half of one(15mg). I already feel better(in 3 minutes). Anyhow before 3 minutes ago, the last i did was my normal 60mg 36 hours ago. I did not sleep last night, tossed and turned, got the chemically weird withdrawl feeling pulsating through body and tingling, extreme restlessness. Thank goodness I am retired, a huge advantage and able to stay at home like a hemit for a couple days. I hope that i made the right decision to taper off with the last two 30mg(now i feel like i cheated myself). Compared to 5 minutes ago i feel ok(way better) but not normal like when i do my normal 60mg dose. I will post on here my progress. The hot shower works, wish it had a tub(stand up). For me the hot shower worked for about 15 minutes. If i had a tub i would set up a tv and try soaking for 12 hours next time i feel extreme wd.
Hi guys. I just want to say that I have found this to be a very helpful forum. I am in day 2 of my withdrawal after using for 1 month with a break in between. I only got as far as using (4) 50mg pills twice a day for a month. I haven't really found someone in my similar situation in any forum. I would like to get an idea of how long a withdrawal I'm looking at here. I could only assume that it will be less than someone say, that used for 4-10 years. Any pointers that I can get would be greatly appreciated. My doctor gave me Ativan to take before bed but I haven't really taken it. I just feel that you can't kill poison with poison. Which has only left me with Aleve, Melatoning caps and LOTS OF WATER. But still this hasn't helped with the restless legs or the hot and cold flashes.
Also, this might be a stupid question...but...do any of you ever get glimpses of how you used to be without the medication? And if yes, do you get the feeling that achieving that normalcy again feels like it is getting farther and farther from you? I don't know, this is just something that I got this morning. (Day 2).
Ugh I feel that I just want to get out of this already. I'm not a drug user or have an addictive personality by any means. This was just a mistake that I made a month ago for fun! I know it's stupid. I put myself here. I get to think about that every second of every miserable day I spend in this hell. I wish that I could just go to sleep and have everything be normal again.I miss the high a little bit. But seeing what price I am paying makes me wish that I had never made this mistake. I know for a fact that I will NEVER touch this c**p or anything that is similar to it again. Thanks for hearing me vent guys and wish me luck.
Oh and by the way. I am really looking forward to getting a estimated time.
Also, this might be a stupid question...but...do any of you ever get glimpses of how you used to be without the medication? And if yes, do you get the feeling that achieving that normalcy again feels like it is getting farther and farther from you? I don't know, this is just something that I got this morning. (Day 2).
Ugh I feel that I just want to get out of this already. I'm not a drug user or have an addictive personality by any means. This was just a mistake that I made a month ago for fun! I know it's stupid. I put myself here. I get to think about that every second of every miserable day I spend in this hell. I wish that I could just go to sleep and have everything be normal again.I miss the high a little bit. But seeing what price I am paying makes me wish that I had never made this mistake. I know for a fact that I will NEVER touch this c**p or anything that is similar to it again. Thanks for hearing me vent guys and wish me luck.
Oh and by the way. I am really looking forward to getting a estimated time.