Patient - the RLS will take a while to go away which stinks, but stick with what you are doing and it will get better for sure. I always reminded myself this is not permanent and everything will get better.
The music was a reassurance to me that things are getting back to level ground. I can say I am 95% back to normal, been a while to even know what normal is to be completely honest. ;-)
Kratom only works when nearly all opiates are out of your system. You won't notice anything until then. Mixing the two is bad combo. I yacked when I mixed the too trying to get off norcos.
Erin - I think it would be best to get off the sub by all means necessary. If that means taking a weak opiate for 1-2 weeks, so be it. But start taking the Imodium last 3 days of taking the opiates.
Note - I was on sub for a short time (14 days total) so I have limited experience. I do know it will be easier w/d from a weak opiate VS sub.
Sub has that lingering effect that lasts for days. I think you have enough experience though in what direction to take.
The Imodium is still the greatest trick in the book by far. SO-SO glad I found about that in the nick of time.
Having a reeeeeeeeeally bad day very depressed and I can't eat now it sure would be nice to lose a few pounds but this sucks. Feeling so emotional I cry at the drop of a hat. Made a stupid mistake cant forgive myself for its not what you think nothing to do with drugs. Hope everyone is doing better then myself. Like to hear whats the good word on your end.
Patient1111
Hang in there Patient. If you want to talk about it, everyone here will listen. I'm having a couple of really emotional day as well. Alcohol has become a huge temptation for me and it didn't use to be. Not that it matters. I'm really trying to hang on and get my 6 month key tag.
Speaking of weight, I gained 9 pounds over the holiday after having lost 15. Pretty depressing. It doesn't help that there is an AD on the bottom of my screen right now that shows someone grabbing their belly fat. Stop the madness.
Yah Its true I do know the options. Its just the mind fxck aspect I guess. I just keep talking myself into taking Op's then sub, then taperning sub, etc. Merry go round lol so f'n stupid and I know it while Im doing it. Now just so torn on what to do cuase if I get the Op's then do sub after, Ill have wasted unnecessary $ and still be in similar boat. Escept at least just not continuously on sub for months and mos. IDK
Anywho, Im sorry Patient your not feeling well. We're here for you.
I have been reading endlessly about Sub and I have come to the collusion loosely that greedy corp. want large sums of money and its better to have people addicted to something for long duration. Sub must be giving via doctor oversight, so they get the doctors attention and they even tell the doctor that the client must be on it for at least a year. Thats a lot of coin. a weeks worth of sub at 8mg is 95-96 bucks. It all adds up. then you read this article;
http://www.bendbulletin.com/article/20130102/NEWS0107/130109999/
which basically reads like a communist bloc party gov. job. Big pharma writing studies that show opiates are not addictive, so docs, keep on giving them. Now you'll come off the opiates, and buy subs and doc visits. Now they got us coming and going. One thing. I have had the habit for almost 5 yrs of say 80-120 mg a day. I started subs today, read several post about kicking them in a week, not a year. I took 2 mg at fist and waited, but needed 4 mg to make ALL w/d go away. I am going to see how my sleep is, because I am one of those guys that punch my legs and arms, lift weights curl barbells, go for walks, stair-master etc, just to fall asleep. My doc at least gave me some muscle relaxers and sleep aid, but I will let you know if 4 mg at 3:15 gave me the "feeling" to get some sleep. I am going to try the one week thing as mentioned on some post and see what happens. But so far, almost 20 hr w/o opiate and I really feel normal.
Go Blackbirds!
OMG... you are the FIRST person that made sense to me AND gave me HOPE! I am using Vyvanse right now in the AM for energy, trying to stay busy & excersise and trazadone at night. Even though I only slept 4 hours last night & do not have much motivation....I am determined to get off SUBS! I had my Drs # dialed and ready to push send before reading this. Im on day 6 now and its probably my worst bc I am SO EXHAUSTED. But I am determined! Thank You!!
Hello Gibson, Erin, JoJo,
I am sorry I have not written for a few days. Day 11 I feel so much better. The only bad thing is the craving and still a little depressed but i know that is to be expected. Hey Gibson, Erin, JoJo how are all of you doing? Gibson thank you so much for talking me through this I really appreciate your help and if you ever need to talk I am here same goes for Erin and JoJo.
Well again Gibson was right if anyone out there wants to get off Suboxone you need to take high doses of imodium and I took Kratom as well for the lethargy.
I wish all of you well please stay in touch
Sincerely,
Patient1111
Patient - glad to see everything is progressing well with you, keep it going strong = day by day!
You are almost over the hump. Give it another week and you will set. Yes, the Imodium is the trick to overcome it, Glad everything is shaping up man, really do and be PROUD of yourself. A lot of folks can't make it that far, so be happy. Since you made it this far, you know now the addiction part is gone which is a milestone!!!
I guess you can't say 'never say never' because this happened.
I had to get my wisdom teeth pulled (ALL FOUR) and told my dentist I didn't want any narcotic pain meds. He RX'd me Hydrocodone anyway and said 'you will need it' The word 'need' kinda got under my skin a bit if you know what I mean.
I put it off for as long as I could and the pain set-in yesterday evening and especially this morning, had to take a couple. That was a weird feeling, not a good one but it did in fact take the pain level down.
For 4 wisdom teeth he wrote me for 90 of them which I thought was excessive. I dumped 60 down the toilet because I would be playing with fire if I had all of them.
Back when I was taking these like candy, it was a 'normal' feeling... This time it's different for sure, true different feeling.
My jaws still hurt like heck. I think I have had 8 pills so far. After Sunday, I am throwing the rest away. No way, shape or form, can I have those in my house, just can't.
Have a great one!
Hey Gibson,
Pretty crazy that you wrote this. Since I've been off subs, I've had a root canal and a half dozen crowns. I neglected to go to the dentist for a few years and subs destroyed my teeth. My dentist also told me to get my wisdom teeth out. I'll need to tell the oral surgeon about the addiction issue and I'm nervous to deal with the pain. I'm going to insist that I should only be able to take ibuprofen or something of that nature. Scary but I honestly don't trust myself in that situation. Glad you dumped 60 of the 90. 90 is way too much. You should be good in a week.
Take care
JoJo
Don't want to hijack this thread but reading this has all been helpful. I've been on Hydrocodone 5/500's for about a year. On average, I take 3x day, mostly all at once at night when my pain is the worst. The pain management clinic gave me a month's worth of Subox strips 8/2mg x 2 daily. After reading this, I realize I've been prescribed something much more addictive. I stopped HC 24hrs ago, tapering to 1.5 x 5/500 and have some stomach cramps and of course the pain but I don't think I should bother with this Subox. Is it worth taking a small (0.25mg) dose tomorrow if I have WD's? I realize this is nothing compared to the stories here, but I'm wondering if there's any 'safe' way to use Subox?
Boston - I would stay ****100 miles AWAY from the subxone*****, you don't need it for the amount of hydro's you are/were taking. Take some Imodium 8 tabs X3 a day for 5 days, that will take care of any withdrawal and unpleasant feelings, curbs 90% of the issues.
Gibson - thank you for your quick response and advice. I picked up some Immodium last night and this morning I'm having few WD symptoms. I'm not touching the Subox.
I'm grateful to this forum, this thread and especially the Original Poster. I'm usually very diligent about understanding what drugs I am prescribed and I'm sincerely shocked that the interventional pain M.D. prescribed me a large dose of Subox for my hydrocodone use - like using a nuke to squash a bug. After reading through these experiences, I'm motivated to lobby for more awareness of Suboxone's risk/benefit and long-term effects.
I will say this - pharmaceutical companies are OBLIGATED to report any adverse events to the FDA. This can also be reported to the FDA directly. If enough people call and report the extensive withdrawal symptoms and physical dependence, the FDA may re-evaluate the risk/benefit of Suboxone. It is clearly a powerful drug, efficacious in it's intended use for opiod addiction treatment, but there should be a carefully designed taper-down program with dosages in an appropriate size. Hearing people take crumbs of pills or micrograms of a sublingual is absurd. Being prescribed 16mg/day of Suboxone for 3x 5mg/day Hydrocodone dependence is almost as absurd.
From the Suboxone web site:
*To report negative side effects associated with taking SUBOXONE Sublingual Film, please call 1-877-782-6966. You are encouraged to report negative side effects of prescription drugs to the FDA. Visit www.fda.gov/medwatch or call1-800-FDA-1088.
I know Suboxone is a controlled substance but I will look into whether I can donate my 'scrip, which I paid for already, to a local clinic to help those in need.
Kind regards and thanks to everyone
-TBG
..and therein lies the rub. This "miracle drug" does two thing well: 1) Virtually eliminates withdrawal from opiates (2) Replaces your addiction with a new silent and deadly addiction. That may sound a little melodramatic but it was true for me. Because I wasn't high on subs, I really didn't anticipate the difficult road of getting off of it. I thought that because I was on a relatively low maintenance program, I should be good in a couple of weeks - tops. Not true.
I guess the more frustrating part is what a lot of people have already alluded to and that's the doctors that prescribe this stuff. I first went to a doctor to get off of opiates about 5 years ago. He was in a small, cramped, one floor office about 20 minutes north of Pittsburgh. Throughout the years, he would ask me how to better market his practice because I'm in marketing. After 4 years with him, he expanded to 6 locations around the Pittsburgh area and is easily one of the largest in the state.
Point being - it's all a money making scheme. Most of us have been to a script shop and know the feeling of sitting in a cramped waiting room where people go in to talk to the doc and come out 2-3 minutes later with a script. Sad. I definitely don't miss that. It was even more depressing to see the people who were clearly high in the waiting room and just going to sell their subs. I'm so glad I'm clean.
Evening all! Been off the Vic's since Sunday morning due to my wisdom teeth being pulled. Just for a couple days on them, I did have some w/d that lasted a day or so, but totally fine now. I took some immodium for it and cleared everything up. Love being clean!!!!! Still have a ways to go be 100% I think. I read it takes around 45 days before your body/brain are completely adjusted due to my years of abuse in taking opiates. I feel great and mentally have no cravings. Kratom is good to have around, just the basic bail leaf crushed up in capsules in good.
Have a great one and hope you all are doing well!!
Gibson