Talk to your docter or go to planned parenthood to talk about this. They probably know a lot better than anyone on this site. Planned parenthood will be free to go to and they will give you good unbaised advice.
ok first of all, there is never a reason to abort a baby. a child should be loved and cared for no matter what deformity they have.
carifairy- why are you even married if you do not want children? your marriage is not valid if you opposed to producing children. If you are so educated, then why do you not know the extrememly dangerous dieeffects of sbortion. the eduacation about issues like this that you think you have is all a bunch of lies. "abortion is safe" "Birth control is effective" "Its just a bunch of cells" all lies. im sorry to say this but they really are. i feel so bad for girls and women who fall into the traps set by pro-abortion people. they are being totally duped.
guest- i dont understand why anyone would think of aborting a child if they knew they hada disease...children with deformities or disease are the most precious gifts. aborting them because of conditions like that is like saying " well you are worth less then normal human beings in my eyes so im just gopnna get rid of you" "It will make my life easier" instead of thinking about the innocent child, you think of yourself and how easy it would be to push it out of the way.
saying that you oppose abortion (most of the time) but still promote sterilization and planned parenthood is not good. that is a lie to yourself. planned parenthood is pushing abortions on women to get money, and sterilization is just as immoral as birth control/artificial contraception. it is contradicting yourself and your beliefs to say you support both.
so carifairy, how are you so sure i do not have nursing degree or am a health care professional?? just wondering why you would assume things like that...
so you still haven't answereed my question, which i am eagerly waiting for an answer to. how can you say you work in a family planning environment, yet destroy families at the same time?? also, why do you still use different forms of birth control , when you know they are not eff4ecctive?? and plaeas do noe say " they are not always effective, i know that" because i already know that you know. if you are going to have sex, why don't you just give your babies for adoption? i understand that you do not want kids ( well i dont quite understand why, but i know that you do not want kids) but instead of killing them, wouldn't you much rather give them life and a chance to see the world???
you clainm to be so educated but all you really say is " i dont want children, and birth control does fail" you never say anything that only people who are DEGREED and LICENSED can know.
as to whether planned parenthood will give you good and unbiased advice, this is totally wrong. all they wwant is money, which i have stated many times.
girls who go to pro-choice facilities are going there for options, not for pressure. they are only given one option which is dangerous. they arte not given help. they are being violated and exposed. it is so horrific to even think about.
i disagree with saying "risking getting pregnant" people who risk are usually risking their lives etc. by doing something dangerous. sex is beautiful, and it results in something beautiful. you dont 'risk' getting pregnant that makes it sound like its something bad.
you say nothing is 100%, well why not try natural family planning?? it is totally 100% effective, and morally right!! it will help you a lot. you dont have to worry about getting pregnant at the wrong times. so im really sorry if i have appeared to be rude at times, but i jsut hope that all women and babies will ne safe from abortion one day. i am trying to help people understand the truth in a kind and loving way.
oh and isnt the first part of the hippocratic oath not to "do any harm"????
carifairy- why are you even married if you do not want children? your marriage is not valid if you opposed to producing children. If you are so educated, then why do you not know the extrememly dangerous dieeffects of sbortion. the eduacation about issues like this that you think you have is all a bunch of lies. "abortion is safe" "Birth control is effective" "Its just a bunch of cells" all lies. im sorry to say this but they really are. i feel so bad for girls and women who fall into the traps set by pro-abortion people. they are being totally duped.
guest- i dont understand why anyone would think of aborting a child if they knew they hada disease...children with deformities or disease are the most precious gifts. aborting them because of conditions like that is like saying " well you are worth less then normal human beings in my eyes so im just gopnna get rid of you" "It will make my life easier" instead of thinking about the innocent child, you think of yourself and how easy it would be to push it out of the way.
saying that you oppose abortion (most of the time) but still promote sterilization and planned parenthood is not good. that is a lie to yourself. planned parenthood is pushing abortions on women to get money, and sterilization is just as immoral as birth control/artificial contraception. it is contradicting yourself and your beliefs to say you support both.
so carifairy, how are you so sure i do not have nursing degree or am a health care professional?? just wondering why you would assume things like that...
so you still haven't answereed my question, which i am eagerly waiting for an answer to. how can you say you work in a family planning environment, yet destroy families at the same time?? also, why do you still use different forms of birth control , when you know they are not eff4ecctive?? and plaeas do noe say " they are not always effective, i know that" because i already know that you know. if you are going to have sex, why don't you just give your babies for adoption? i understand that you do not want kids ( well i dont quite understand why, but i know that you do not want kids) but instead of killing them, wouldn't you much rather give them life and a chance to see the world???
you clainm to be so educated but all you really say is " i dont want children, and birth control does fail" you never say anything that only people who are DEGREED and LICENSED can know.
as to whether planned parenthood will give you good and unbiased advice, this is totally wrong. all they wwant is money, which i have stated many times.
girls who go to pro-choice facilities are going there for options, not for pressure. they are only given one option which is dangerous. they arte not given help. they are being violated and exposed. it is so horrific to even think about.
i disagree with saying "risking getting pregnant" people who risk are usually risking their lives etc. by doing something dangerous. sex is beautiful, and it results in something beautiful. you dont 'risk' getting pregnant that makes it sound like its something bad.
you say nothing is 100%, well why not try natural family planning?? it is totally 100% effective, and morally right!! it will help you a lot. you dont have to worry about getting pregnant at the wrong times. so im really sorry if i have appeared to be rude at times, but i jsut hope that all women and babies will ne safe from abortion one day. i am trying to help people understand the truth in a kind and loving way.
oh and isnt the first part of the hippocratic oath not to "do any harm"????
I have used Natural family planning in conjunction with the 'Today sponge', but my IUD requires no in-depth charting. I am getting a higher level degree, so my days are very busy.
YES, NFP does work for those whom choose to use it for TTC or TTA.
Birth control is effective, but there are medications which alter the effectiveness, and women who take it incorrectly. I have patients that have used birth control for 5-10 years without a single mishap or pregnancy.
I cannot use hormones, so I have used a variation of NFP, and now I have the IUD.(used it fir 3+ years and love it)
I am not a christian, I have a personal relationship with god, so my marriage may not be valid to YOU but it is valid to ME.I dislike saying I have 'religion', as I have a personal relationship with god.
I am married because my husband is the MAN that I am 100% faithful and monogamous to, he is the man I want to spend the rest if my life with.
Women that do not wish to be pregnant do not feel like I am 'destroying their families'. Perhaps YOU PERSONALLY feel that it would destroy a family, but that is YOUR feeling, and not all women will feel this way. You are 100% entitled to believe as you see fit, and YOU do not have to get an abortion.(obviously)
I NEVER tell anyone it is a bunch of cells, I SAW MY ULTRASOUNDS BEFORE MY ABORTION. ALL women can see their ultrasounds. I NEVER say it is a bunch of cells, and I am familiar with fetal development.
I GIVE women OPTIONS, I have resources for MEDICAID, private adoptions and social services. NOT ALL women wish to be welfare recipients, and not all women wish to gestate for 9 months and give up their baby. I SUPPORT women, no matter what she wants.
AS far as abortion for deformities.. Most people with handicapped children require group home assistance or other government funding, and again, not all women feel it is okay to mooch off of the government.
Abortion and adoption are both very individual choices, and obviously people have different beliefs as to what they would personally choose.
IF You were a nurse or a healthcare professional, you would know HOW birth control worked, and that is effective when used properly.
YES, NFP does work for those whom choose to use it for TTC or TTA.
Birth control is effective, but there are medications which alter the effectiveness, and women who take it incorrectly. I have patients that have used birth control for 5-10 years without a single mishap or pregnancy.
I cannot use hormones, so I have used a variation of NFP, and now I have the IUD.(used it fir 3+ years and love it)
I am not a christian, I have a personal relationship with god, so my marriage may not be valid to YOU but it is valid to ME.I dislike saying I have 'religion', as I have a personal relationship with god.
I am married because my husband is the MAN that I am 100% faithful and monogamous to, he is the man I want to spend the rest if my life with.
Women that do not wish to be pregnant do not feel like I am 'destroying their families'. Perhaps YOU PERSONALLY feel that it would destroy a family, but that is YOUR feeling, and not all women will feel this way. You are 100% entitled to believe as you see fit, and YOU do not have to get an abortion.(obviously)
I NEVER tell anyone it is a bunch of cells, I SAW MY ULTRASOUNDS BEFORE MY ABORTION. ALL women can see their ultrasounds. I NEVER say it is a bunch of cells, and I am familiar with fetal development.
I GIVE women OPTIONS, I have resources for MEDICAID, private adoptions and social services. NOT ALL women wish to be welfare recipients, and not all women wish to gestate for 9 months and give up their baby. I SUPPORT women, no matter what she wants.
AS far as abortion for deformities.. Most people with handicapped children require group home assistance or other government funding, and again, not all women feel it is okay to mooch off of the government.
Abortion and adoption are both very individual choices, and obviously people have different beliefs as to what they would personally choose.
IF You were a nurse or a healthcare professional, you would know HOW birth control worked, and that is effective when used properly.
i dont really care how effective birth control is...all I care about is that is preventing LIFE!!!!
when you saw the ultrasound, what did you think??
did you even realize that it was a child??
an image of GOD!! you have a relationship with Him...what do you think He thinks about the muder of children He created. you dont have to be religious to know that the child in your womb has a beating heart, legs, fingers, eyelashes, tiny little ears, and most importantly, a SOUL. so just beacuse NFP maybe a little bit more complicated, you choose to use birth control, even though it KILLS children??? By having sex with your husband, yet preventing life, you are baxically lyinng to him, and he lying to you. sex is the total giving of one's self to their spouse. by preventing the life he is helping you create, you are not fully giving yourself to him. this is a 'only thinking of yourself' version of sex.
it doesn't really matter whwt the women you are 'helping' think, it matters wht you really think inside. do you really think that these women are seriousley being helped??? do you really feel that you are not destroying famnilies. you may not be destroying their personal families, but families who are wishing to adopt. how can you say you support women when all you do is basically say goods things abour abortion all over the blogs??? shouldnt people who want the BEST for women give the healthiest, safest choice first??? the government would not offer help, if they didnt want to give it. thats when the government is for- to help people. people take in hurt animals all the time. if disabled animals were killed in the masses like babies are, there would be huge lawsuits all over. i shouldnt be comparing babies to animals, but their level of innocence and helplessness is about the same.
when you saw the ultrasound, what did you think??
did you even realize that it was a child??
an image of GOD!! you have a relationship with Him...what do you think He thinks about the muder of children He created. you dont have to be religious to know that the child in your womb has a beating heart, legs, fingers, eyelashes, tiny little ears, and most importantly, a SOUL. so just beacuse NFP maybe a little bit more complicated, you choose to use birth control, even though it KILLS children??? By having sex with your husband, yet preventing life, you are baxically lyinng to him, and he lying to you. sex is the total giving of one's self to their spouse. by preventing the life he is helping you create, you are not fully giving yourself to him. this is a 'only thinking of yourself' version of sex.
it doesn't really matter whwt the women you are 'helping' think, it matters wht you really think inside. do you really think that these women are seriousley being helped??? do you really feel that you are not destroying famnilies. you may not be destroying their personal families, but families who are wishing to adopt. how can you say you support women when all you do is basically say goods things abour abortion all over the blogs??? shouldnt people who want the BEST for women give the healthiest, safest choice first??? the government would not offer help, if they didnt want to give it. thats when the government is for- to help people. people take in hurt animals all the time. if disabled animals were killed in the masses like babies are, there would be huge lawsuits all over. i shouldnt be comparing babies to animals, but their level of innocence and helplessness is about the same.
This is not a religious forum.
However....
ONLY GOD knows that GOD is thinking.
AGAIN, YOU may personally feel that you would not be giving your whole self to YOUR spouse, but that is YOUR feeling and opinion.
I may feel differently.
However....
ONLY GOD knows that GOD is thinking.
AGAIN, YOU may personally feel that you would not be giving your whole self to YOUR spouse, but that is YOUR feeling and opinion.
I may feel differently.
i have a baby and have had an abortion recently..
i also may be going through one of the side effects. i may have an infection.
i dont regret having it done. i honestly dont think i could cope with two babies so close together.
i think carifairy has fallen pregnant by accident not on purpose and wasnt in the position to go full term, its her own choice and she was on birth control.
jesus can you people even read what she has said!!
i also may be going through one of the side effects. i may have an infection.
i dont regret having it done. i honestly dont think i could cope with two babies so close together.
i think carifairy has fallen pregnant by accident not on purpose and wasnt in the position to go full term, its her own choice and she was on birth control.
jesus can you people even read what she has said!!
Guest-
It is okay =)
If you suspect an infection, the telltale sign to look for is a fever of 100.1F that lasts longer than 24 hours. Infection usually occurs within 72 hours of an abortion.
Did you use tampons, have sex, bathe, or inset anything in your vagina?
It is okay =)
If you suspect an infection, the telltale sign to look for is a fever of 100.1F that lasts longer than 24 hours. Infection usually occurs within 72 hours of an abortion.
Did you use tampons, have sex, bathe, or inset anything in your vagina?
Abortion, holocaust survivor,
i am the guest who wrote about understanding the need for abortion in certain circumstances.
To expect a woman to accept pregnancy every time she has sex is not really living in the real world.
Surely then, natural family planning is also deliberately preventing pregnancy. A woman who uses this method is avoiding pregnancy as surely as if she were using the coil or pill.
There is a very fine line between being morally good and being religious. However there is a huge gap between being religious and being extreme. And i thank god for that. Because what you are saying is that a man and woman should accept pregnancy every time they have sex. What about the rights of the woman. Does a woman not have a right to enjoy sex without a pregnancy every time.
This is a rule that was thrust on women by men in power in the church.
These same men would think that sexual abuse of a child was also acceptable.
I am a christian person. But i do not think it is good for a woman to be simply a baby making machine.
And yes i do think it is acceptable for abortion to be used in extreme cases. I do not mean a child who will be born and live with a handicap. Of course they are special. I am referring to a situation where a child will be born and suffer terribly for a short while before dying. Or die shortly before or after birth. This does happen regularly.
Extreme religious views are very unhealthy.
you seem really angry and intent on having your opinions thrust onto people.
Fortunately we do not live in a world where this is reality anymore.
There are real people with real problems who need help and advise, not biased religious opinions.
i am the guest who wrote about understanding the need for abortion in certain circumstances.
To expect a woman to accept pregnancy every time she has sex is not really living in the real world.
Surely then, natural family planning is also deliberately preventing pregnancy. A woman who uses this method is avoiding pregnancy as surely as if she were using the coil or pill.
There is a very fine line between being morally good and being religious. However there is a huge gap between being religious and being extreme. And i thank god for that. Because what you are saying is that a man and woman should accept pregnancy every time they have sex. What about the rights of the woman. Does a woman not have a right to enjoy sex without a pregnancy every time.
This is a rule that was thrust on women by men in power in the church.
These same men would think that sexual abuse of a child was also acceptable.
I am a christian person. But i do not think it is good for a woman to be simply a baby making machine.
And yes i do think it is acceptable for abortion to be used in extreme cases. I do not mean a child who will be born and live with a handicap. Of course they are special. I am referring to a situation where a child will be born and suffer terribly for a short while before dying. Or die shortly before or after birth. This does happen regularly.
Extreme religious views are very unhealthy.
you seem really angry and intent on having your opinions thrust onto people.
Fortunately we do not live in a world where this is reality anymore.
There are real people with real problems who need help and advise, not biased religious opinions.
You have such a reasonable outlook GUEST...
I am so glad you posted again!
I am so glad you posted again!
wow GUEST i am really offended...
why dont all of you look at this site...
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very interesting if you take the time to look at it.
why dont all of you look at this site...
EDITED** POsting of websites is not permitted
very interesting if you take the time to look at it.
There are mixed feelings about abortion.
Basically, just do what is right for you.
I know many people who are against abortion. I don't think I could have an abortion myself. But am I against people having the choice? No!
Who here remembers what it was like to be thirteen? How many pregnant thirteen year olds are there? There are children out there who are nine years old and are pregnant. They could never survive childbirth. Abortion is a major option for them.
What if you were raped at the age of thirteen? Do you not deserve a choice?
"But it is against God's will!" you cry. Yes, well, so is a woman's rights. The Bible is not the law. It is a person's opinion, nothing more, nothing less. The Bible was not faxed down to earth by God. A person wrote the Bible. It is an opinion which is agreed upon by millions of people. No one knows what's God's will, or if there even is a God. What you believe is right for you.
Your beliefs do not affect anyone else but yourself. If you believe abortion is wrong, the answer is not to have an abortion. If you believe abortion is right for you, then by all means, have an abortion.
Instead of arguing about abortion, we should be stopping those who force women into having one. How many have been forced into an abortion against their will? We should stop arguing about Freedom of Choice, and help those in need!
You say abortion is risky. YES it is. But so is EVERY SINGLE MEDICAL PROCEDURE. 2000 people a year die from the REGULAR DOSE OF ASPRIN. It is risky to take an asprin. It is risky to have a liver transplant. It is risky to cross the street, to ride on a bus, to stand in your shower. Everything has a risk. It all depends on what you believe is right for you.
Basically, just do what is right for you.
I know many people who are against abortion. I don't think I could have an abortion myself. But am I against people having the choice? No!
Who here remembers what it was like to be thirteen? How many pregnant thirteen year olds are there? There are children out there who are nine years old and are pregnant. They could never survive childbirth. Abortion is a major option for them.
What if you were raped at the age of thirteen? Do you not deserve a choice?
"But it is against God's will!" you cry. Yes, well, so is a woman's rights. The Bible is not the law. It is a person's opinion, nothing more, nothing less. The Bible was not faxed down to earth by God. A person wrote the Bible. It is an opinion which is agreed upon by millions of people. No one knows what's God's will, or if there even is a God. What you believe is right for you.
Your beliefs do not affect anyone else but yourself. If you believe abortion is wrong, the answer is not to have an abortion. If you believe abortion is right for you, then by all means, have an abortion.
Instead of arguing about abortion, we should be stopping those who force women into having one. How many have been forced into an abortion against their will? We should stop arguing about Freedom of Choice, and help those in need!
You say abortion is risky. YES it is. But so is EVERY SINGLE MEDICAL PROCEDURE. 2000 people a year die from the REGULAR DOSE OF ASPRIN. It is risky to take an asprin. It is risky to have a liver transplant. It is risky to cross the street, to ride on a bus, to stand in your shower. Everything has a risk. It all depends on what you believe is right for you.
Dear Carifairy,
I've seen your posts on the forums and what really disturbs me is that you claim to be a Abortion Clinic Worker, and yet... why would you even think of promoting the use of Abortion as birth control. Yes you've had 3 abortions, is that something to be proud of? No... that just means you need to learn to not have sex, be sterilized or start using condoms and other forms of birth control.
Abortion is a choice yes, however so is taking contraception. Abortion is not birth control, it is a procedure that some people choose because at that time it isn't right, but 2, 3, 4, and yes I've known women who have had 9 abortions... just need to stop what they are doing to get pregnant in the first place and wisen up. It seems to me that you are more a serial killer than a responsible adult Carifairy.
I've seen your posts on the forums and what really disturbs me is that you claim to be a Abortion Clinic Worker, and yet... why would you even think of promoting the use of Abortion as birth control. Yes you've had 3 abortions, is that something to be proud of? No... that just means you need to learn to not have sex, be sterilized or start using condoms and other forms of birth control.
Abortion is a choice yes, however so is taking contraception. Abortion is not birth control, it is a procedure that some people choose because at that time it isn't right, but 2, 3, 4, and yes I've known women who have had 9 abortions... just need to stop what they are doing to get pregnant in the first place and wisen up. It seems to me that you are more a serial killer than a responsible adult Carifairy.
FOr all those of you who tore apart abortion and are tearing apart Clarifairy, you are all close minded and need to put yourslef in someone else's shoes. FIrst of all, the after effects of abortion are minimal and the dangers of a first trimester abortion are less than actually giving birth. Get your facts from planned parenthood not the Internet. Secondly, abortion is a very hard decision, one which most people do not take lightly.
FOr those of you who are opting for an abortion, call a clinic and ask to speak with an sbortion counselor--more reputable than these chat rooms. I know!
FOr those of you who are opting for an abortion, call a clinic and ask to speak with an sbortion counselor--more reputable than these chat rooms. I know!
Don't be afraid don't wait to long do it. You will be glad later that the future your looking at is still clear not cloudy. i have had 3 and I am a healthy 28 yr old?
I had an abortion 5 years ago when I was 19 years old.I went over my options with a medical professional and I chose abortion based my needs at the time.When I went to the clinic to have the abortion I again spoke to a counselor who asked me atleast 2-3 times if I was sure about the decision it was not forced down my throat nor was I lied to about the risks.Even though like I said I had already discussed my options with my doctor they still provided me with information on adoption and raising my child on my own.It was MY choice and I have no regrets.I have since given birth to 2 very healthy babies and have no regrets about that either it was my choice.For all you people who bring religion into this are hippocrits.If you are a true christian you would know that god always forgives and that whether people were making the wrong choices or not you are just as bad as them for JUDGING in god's eyes anyway.