Es355gibson. I agreeded with every point that you made in your last post. I also said that your determination and faith would have helped you quit. As for God that's a subject I won't even go near, having a compleatly diffrent view poit from you. As a matter of fact I also have a very nice income (but I think an exact number is just a means of boasting). My wife has a very good income as well. I also have children who mean the world to me. I still stand by my statement, that if one is on a very high daily dose of a very strong pain killer or H, that person would need more Imoium than someone who is on a weaker one. No doubt that will power comes into play, and and the faith of some so called God, if your not ready to quit it most likely won't happen. When I first detoxed I felt like I had a lot more life in me and my emotions were all over the place (this is normal). That is no reason to attack me or preach your bible thumping ways upon me. As I said from day one, the Imidium detox may work on some people but not all. Also be careful of the ammount taken. Have you ever concidered that your will power, family, and faith in "god" might have helped you more than the poo pills. In my opinion those things have helped people quit more than any drug could. Please do not take offence to my point of view. It's not that I am ignorant to religion either, I was raised a devoted catholic and attended a catholic church and school until I went to college. Wars most often start for two reasons, one is oil, and the secound is religion. Please keep religion out of it, not everybody shares the same point of view as you. It sounds like your all over the place emotionally, I was too the first time I quit. I got angry at some of my "so called friends" who would sell there entire scripts to me. I ended up calling some of them in a rage blaming them for ruining my life. But the reality was that it was I who was the one seeking out the pain killers or H. I realize this is a toutchy subject for you, but you have to be a little more open minded, other people can not quit if the desire to do so is not there. As far as the stats that I gave you about the relaps rate they are factual. Check them out. 29 days sober is something to be very proud of, but don't become depressed if you relaps (it happens). You've got a long way to go if your a just a month sober. I've gone over four years without pain pills (except for right now), due to the need for pain management, and my doc won't give me more than a weeks worth of them at a time. I am not abusing them either. Your emotions shold level out within another month.
Your entitled to your opinion just like I'm entitled to mine. I've been on much stronger stuff than you and I am willing to bet that my will power and family is what kept me going.
What exactly do you disagree with from my last post? I thought I was agreeing with you and even gave you a tip to help you from relapsing. I've been addicted to pills, patches (fentanyl), and H for over 15 years, with daily use. I'm just giving people the facts straight up. The truth can hurt, but I think that people should understand about the long term side effects that linger around after the initial w/d.
If you take offence to this post I appigize, but some people just don't have the wiil power and are need of professional help.
P.S. Good for you for having a very well paying job, and your spouse as well, I just don't see the revelance of informion everybody about your wealth. It makes you sound like you think your better than othes who are struggling with a serious problem and are broke.
Es355gibson. I have to appoligize. I misread your last post. I thought you started by saying that you disagreed with me. I was wondering what you did not agree with. Sorry if I seemed on the offensive side.
Keep up the good work, and all the best with everything.
Treeman - I think you misread my post entirely. The quote on jobs/money was outlining how much I was spending on pills, that's it. I have a PhD in Aero-Engineering. Not sure where you got the other ideas you outlined below.
This shows opiate addiction can happen to anyone, it doesn't discriminate or pick & choose.
Additionally, my reference to prayer, that's how I did it. Again, it might not work for others, but there is no reason to take offense to it. This was MY way. Others have different ways as everyone is different like you said.
Agreed everyone is entitled to his/her opinion, but I think you need to understand the opinion first and reply with yours.
Majority of your 'comebacks' are out of context. I suggest you reread my post more thoroughly
Bottom line: This board, specifically this thread is how to help others beat the opiates, not slam someone with experience and their outcome. We all hope it will in-fact give other inspiration and direction on quitting.
Thanks
Es355gibson. I did misread your post and sent an apoligy. Again, my reply was uncalled for, I'm sorry.
I hope everything goes smoothly for you, I hope there are no hard feelings.
So I got 2 boxes of (12 in a box .. laws in pa are crazy I guess for poopie pills) and 2 bottle of (loperamide hci and the other ingredient) ( they were bigger then my middle finger (laws on bottles of it must be weird also) (this is in central PA) took about 30 mgs of LHCI (half bottle /half pills ) (directions on box and bottles to Show how to messure it ) BE PREPARED for a horrible stomach pain for about 1 to 3 hours (depending if your drinking alot of water and make sure to stock up on fruits and Veggies cause remember .. your going to be blocked up and your trying to detox So do it right ! Vitamins and everything people this is a horrible process ) I felt Joked but after about 3 hours I Finally feeeeel stabilized (im at about 5 hours after administrating myself through the proper proccedures) and I feel great !!(like I did a suboxone "trying to compare" ( I did about 10 oxycodone 30's a day , or 2 bundles of decent H a day for almost 2 years ) and Ive been with drawling for almost 2 weeeks !!) I really thought miracles didnt exist but they do .. THIS is CONFIRMED ,WORKS IN MY BOOK! I tried to clean up for 2 weeks, ate a fentanyl patch (1.2 and a 2.5) was on the second day Of detox and did this and after 2 or 3 hours you will SEE THE DIFFERENCE ... THANK YOU SO MUCH WHO EVER THOUGHT OF THIS CUASE IT DID THE TRICK..cause now all I gotta do is to stay clean and not go to jail :) , MY friends and I are all talking together and Are gonig to quit .. Drugs really arnt worth it ! especially when you dont neeed it !! it takes awhile to detox sometimes because you have to Work the opiates out of your bones,blood,DNA( maybe haha) so remember you gotta work with it !! OMG THANK YOU
I'm glad to hear that Loperamide is helping you. I wish I knew who found out about it first. Whoever he/she is, is really cool!!!! You are so right, drugs are not worth it. Best of luck to you.
Good job, Guest, tho am having a hard time trying to figure out just what you took. I mean, how much.
So yes, it works. This is my third time (between scripts, keep running out about a week early - tho I SWEAR I won't again - of methadone, 60 mg per day) doing the Imodium magic cure and I find myself both wanting to share and keep it a secret. I want to share because damn I have kicked soooo many times and it bloody is hell that I would give anything to free myself from each and every time - until I found this trick - and so I want others to benefit like I have...and secret because I am certain that any minute the FDA will swoop in and regulate the stuff.
Also: as thrilled as I am, I am also worried because I have truly scoured the internet looking for information about coming of of loperamide (Imodium) and it seems as if it just delays. Also there are folks who have become addicted to it and two years later have chosen to go back to methadone or suboxone or even oxy as a way to come off of it, and I just cannot find anyone who went fro H or methadone to lope and then was quit. Not anyone with any sort of habit I can relate to anyway. Sure would love to hear more about it. There are a couple of folks out there who got up to 200+ pill habit daily lope habit.
That said of course it is wonderful and I would take 200 a day to stay out of w/d but there is an addict in me who wants to feel high, who does not want to just not feel the w/d but who wants the head part and who will use lope with gratitude as a way to get from one supply to the next.
Physically for anyone wondering... oh and btw, if you do not feel better within one hour, take more! Somehow i cannot kill my w/d on under 42 mg, twice daily while others take less every other day. Anyway I have had no ill side effects. I was terribly dehydrated the first time and a bit constipated but now I can "go" on it and just drink tons of water, pedialyte, whatever. Please do follow up here and let me/ us know how it all works for you, and good luck!
I have been on first vicoden and for pain purposes, and i ended up addicted physically to it, then a few years later, i ended up diagnosed with fibromyalgia (pain in the joints etc). I did after the vicodin try to go to a detox where at the time i had a very tiny habbit 3-4 5mg a day, now im at 10mg percs 10 a day, I hate the withdrawal, i dont get high from this c**p i start withdrawal ever 4 hours i cant get more then 4 hours of sleep per night, and thats with taking the meds. Over the summer i went down to 5mg, and what i did was i found out about the pasionflower extract (by herb farms) that really works, to stop most of the withdrawl, i took sleeping medication, and i just kept putting myself back to sleep, and i would wake up feeling like im dying for first week, but not that terrible i also drank grape fruit juice, i tried the poppy tea to ween myself, it became impossible to stay at 5, and i ended up with a fractured ankle and torn ligaments, and then end up back to same level, I know there is a Thomas recipe which is L-tyrosine plus b-6, also dopa mucana is a vitamin that increase the dopamine in the brain, which also helps, and the running nose constant "cold" chills thati have, its pretty bad when i wake up, im trying again to lower myself off this c**p also by theway there is something called california poppy extract also by herb farms that is a non additive form of opiate also something called aveno sativa is supposed to help with withdrawal of opiates this was the cocktail i would take along with amino acid complex, NAC (N- Aceytyl cysteine) helps with the liver and also with compulsive behavior cravings, and l gluatamine also helps with eliminating craving. Its a lot of work because if you run out of the passion flower extract then you end up screwing up your situation thats what would happen to me constantly id run out of a hard to get herbal formula that helped me, and then increase my medication and screw up.... The poppyseed tea i dont know if it helped or not, and i started even going upwards of 10 10mg percacet a day out of sheer stress and not counting the pills, i thought i was gong to just go back to a detox at a hospital and they would not let me know if they would medicate me properly which is a concern because i also take xanax and i could have a seizure if they are not careful, and they wanted me to go 2 days without anything and put me on suboxone, i have seen a lot of people cannot get off of that, and have to remain on it for long time and some people claim that its worse withdrawal then the actual medication, I really wish i never took these damn things, I had no idea of these physical consequences, and not only physical consequences but theres an emotional consequence, a mental consequence, the reason rehab did not work for me is they drugged me up but did not tell me i would be brainless and weak as could be afterwards, and they did not tell me about post accute withdrawal syndrome which can last several months before your brain works, cause i feel totally sober if i take my medicine after the "detox" from the vicodin which had i know i could have gotten off the 3 a day by myself i had no idea of any of this then, when i came home i had a refill i found and my brain was not working at all, and i was severely weak, this is an excuse, and i end up going back on it again, and then suddenly brain worked again clearly immediately relief, from feeling like a brain dead person, its very strange because i feel sober on the medication i felt out of it off of it, I know theres the rapid detox the 24 hour anesthesia method, and that people have died from it, but this life is not worth living, so if i find a good dr. and perhaps its less exppensive now then it was years ago, I will try to take that avenue, and i know that is not going to fix the other issues like my life revolving around getting the next perscription running out of the perscription earlier, drugstore giving me a hard time to get the damn pills, and the look on their face as to why this "young looking girl" is getting this quantity of meds. And why do i run out early or try to get the 30 day supply alwys on the 28th day, i count the days, i count the pills, i have to lower them to make it to the next script this stuff runs your entire life. I really wish i did not mess up on my taper over the summer cause i was halfway down and i went through considerable agony not as bad with the above mentioned stuff i took, the main helper was the passionflower extract there are studies on that on the internet that those who took the passionflower extract were better off then those who didnt that it lessened withdrawal symptoms and as i said the only version that worked for me was from herb farm best to get the liquid formula it absorbs better, also there are some formulations that do not work of that particular herbal formulation, and theres something called white lotus, blue lotus that helps also, i have tons of vitamins that i took to get down to half, and i ruined that for myself when i ran out of one of the vitamins, so i suggest if you can to buy from the internet these vitamins and herbal supplements especially passion flower extract and buy a case of it, or a large quantity because if you run out, or the combination you will end up messing up in your taper, there is no life with these pills, these pills are your life thats what your life is reduced to and getting them, and couting them everyday and making sure you have enough to make it to the next perscription and i also suggest to put them in a seperate container for the day so that way you dont mess up, because if you have a bottle of pills and you just take from that bottle you will find that you will loose track of how many your taking, better to put in a seperate bottle your tapered dose, now of course i still have the problem and am trying to again go back to a lower dose, and it is a struggle more now then then, so if you do manage to taper yourself halfway off, or lower the dose, you should remember unlike me, that if you go back up in dose, you will have to suffer some more again, and we all know that is the problem mainly is the suffering from withdrawal if this was a pill that you had no withdrawal symptoms it would be a lot easier ive taken medication that i dont have a problem stopping before, andi never had a problem with getting off antidepressants or other types of medicine, but when it comes to this demon and someone else used that term THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT IT IS... A TERRIBLE DEMON ITS WORSE THEN THE PAIN THAT I HAD AND HAVE TO BEGIN WITH THAT IS WHAT STARTED ME ON THIS DEMON MEDICINE I WOULD CONSIDER THIS THE MOST HORRIFIC DEMON UNLEASHED INTO SOCIETY FOR PAIN. BECAUSE IT IS MORE PAIN THEN IT IS PLEASURE OR END OF PAIN THERE IS NO PLEASURE I DERRIVE WHATSOEVER FROM THIS MEDICINE, AT ALL I STRICTLY TAKE IT BECAUSE I WANT TO AVOID WITHDRAWAL, AND MY LIFE IS EMPTY AS A RESULT OF USING THIS MEDICINE I LOST MY LIFE I LOST MOTIVATION TO DO ANYTHING MUCH, I ISOLATE MYSELF, I DONT SPEND TIME WITH FRIENDS, THIS MEDICINE PARALYZES YOU MAYBE NOT AT FIRST, AT FIRST THIS MAY SEEM LIKE WOW I HAVE NO MORE PHYSICAL PAIN AND I AM CALM NOW BUT THIS IS NOT WORTH IT, EVEN FOR THOSE WHO GET HIGH FROM THIS THIS IS NOT WORTH IT, THIS IS THE WORST ADDICTION AND I HATE TO BE TREATED LIKE I AM AN JUNKY OR SOMETHING, WELL NO ONE WOULD THINK SO UNLESS I TOLD THEM MY ISSUE, BUT YOU GET TREATED LIKE A JUNKY AND THEY WANT TO GIVE YOU IN DETOX 10% OF WHAT YOU NORMALLY TAKE AND THEN DECREASE YOU FROM THAT OR PUT YOU ON A SUBSTITUTE YOULL HAVE TO TAKE THE REST OF YOUR LIFE THEY JUST EXPERIMENT ON YOU, THEY GIVE YOU THE SAME TYPE OF MEDICINE THEY GIVE EVERYONE ELSE, ITS A SHOCK TO THE SYSTEM TO GO TO A 7 DAY DETOX AND THE HOSPITALS ARE NEGLIGENT IN RELIEVING THE SITUATION, IF YOU CAN LOWER THIS MEDICINE YOURSELF, DO IT, WITH THE ABOVE REMEDIES I MENTION CAUSE IT DOES WORK, I KNOW THEN THERES A SURGERY AND YOUR BACK TO THE SAME SITUATION, IVE HAD THAT HAPPEN ALSO, IT JUST GETS WORSE YOUR BETTER OFF TAKING SOMETHING LIKE TRAMADOL THEY SAY THATS ADDICTIVE UT TO BE HONEST THATS NO ADDICTIVE THING LIKE THIS IS, DO WHATEVER YOU HAVE TO DO TO LOWER THIS MEDIINE, AND REMEMBER FROM MY MISTAKES AND OTHERS IM SURE ONCE YOU LOWER YOURSELF DONT GO BACK UP AND JUST TAKE ONE MORE BECAUSE THAT ONE MORE IS GOING TO BE TAKING YOU RIGHT BACK UP, AND THEN YOU GOTTA GO THROUGH THE SAME AGONY OR WORSE IF YOU GO BACK, YOU MUST ALWAYS REMEMBER THE AGONY THAT PILL GAVE YOU, AND THAT IF YOU TAKE AN EXTRA PILL YOU WILL HAVE TO PAY THE CONSEQUENCES WITH THE AGONY OF WITHDRAWAL SO ITS NOT WORTH IT, I KNOW ITS A MENTAL ADDICTION AND EMOTIONAL CRUTCH IT BECOMES A HABBIT, BUT THE PHYSICAL ADDICTION IS THE WORST PART OF IT, AND WHAT REALLY KEEPS YOU ADDICTED, IF YOU CAN GO DOWN ON YOUR OWN THAT IS THE BEST WAY THESE SUBSTITUTE MEDICINE IS MEANT FOR THE DRUG COMPANIES TO KEEP YOU ADDICTED TO SOMETHING ELSE FOR AS LONG AS POSSIBLE, AND EVERYONE SEEMS TO WANT TO GET OFF THOSE SUBSTITUTE DRUGS JUST AS BADLY IF NOT MORE SO THEN THE ONES WE ALREADY ARE TAKING. SO THATS WHAT I KNOW, AND I HOPE I HELPED SOMEONE WITH WHAT I HAVE FOUND WORKED FOR ME WHEN I WAS TAPERING YOU JUST HAVE TO MAKE SURE YOU HAVE A CASE LOAD OF THE HARD TO FIND AT A VITAMIN STORE SUPPLEMENTS BECAUSE IF YOU RUN OUT OF THAT THEN YOU WILL MESS UP SO HAVE YOUR ENTIRE VITAMINE SITAUTION TOGETHER LEARN FROM ME DONT RAISE YOUR DOSE AFTER YOU WERE ALMOST OFF OR LOWERED IT OR WAS OFF OF IT FOR ANY PERIOD OF TIME IT TAKES A WHILE TO GET YOUR BRAIN TO FUNCTION PROPERLY, I DIDNT KNOW THAT AT THE TIME. BE CAREFUL ABOUT TAKING TOO MUCH OF THIS LOPERIDIME BECAUSE ITS ALSO NOT GOOD TO BLOCK YOUR BOWEL AND THEN HAVE A BOWEL OBSTRUCTION. i WOULDNT RECCOMEND TAKING 20 OF THOSE. I WOULD RECCOMEND THE VITAMINS AND SUPPLEMENTS MENTIONED ABOVE
I have a hard time believing that. You were either already addicted to and tolerant to opioids, or something unique in your metabolism prevented you from experiencing the effects.
80 mg of oxycodone in a non-tolerant individual could be fatal.
As for your assertion that addiction is "in our minds," I think you don't have a clue as to what you're talking about. What's in our minds also depends on our brain chemistry. Our minds depend on the physical reality of our brain. Just because addiction is "in our mind" doesn't make the reality of addiction and the neurochemical changes associated with it any less real. It doesn't mean that all you have to do is go "oh it's just in my mind" and suddenly you're no longer an addict.
The "legitimate pain" you experience is only in your mind, too. Does that make the pain any less real to you?
That's a ridiculous statement.
The difference in education between a nurse practitioner and an MD is huge.
"Basically a doctor?" That's ignorant.
Phencyclidine - Not sure where you get your information and/or background, but I have been a doctor (MD) for 7 years and my fellow NP (yes he is a male) can do anything I can do except a few minor ones which do not come up that often. I was brought to this board by referral because I have a minor opiate problem. NP's cannot perform surgery nor can write prescriptions for a controlled II substance without a MD/Doctor approval. He is one of the best we have and many patients go to him VS others in our practice.
As for the int-ital post, this is a good idea ONLY for people who have low opiate tolerances. People taking CII meds, I would recommend this. Your GI trac could have and will have severe problems without the body doing it's normal course of work by flushing out the system.
Dr.House!! Lol.
If the only difference between an MP and a Nurse is "a few minor ones" and the prescribing of "CII" drugs. I would hate to have a medical emergency around your hospital. A Nurses Practioner's course can be completed two years. I have an amazing doctor who goes out of his way to help you understand why he's prescribing or recommending something. I'd trust his advise over a Nurses any day (male or female).
Are you for or against the Imodium trick? You were not clear, on one hand you said go for it, but you also said that it would cause really bad bowel problems? I'd like a doctors point of view, and why don't doctors know about this method?