I used to live in greensburg, PA. It has been a while since then but that is where all my problems started. No offense to PA but for me it is full of bad memories. Anyway, good luck to you with the sub taper. I stopped after 2 mg/day, and am currently in day 12 without. The day I found out I was free of cancer is the day I decided to be free of everything else! Remember...potassium/magnesium supplements are awesome for muscle cramps. Also, don't expect much to happen with the withdrawals until after 4-5 days or so without any suboxone(after that it is very similar to regular opiate withdrawal). I am glad you are tapering down further, as recommended. I am just so sick of different medications I couldn't stand to take suboxone for one more day. My doc. says it is recommended to taper to one 2mg per week before jumping off completely. Best of luck
Hell. Like the soul being ripped apart by demons. Most intense flue like symptoms, ridiculously achy and restless legs. Feeling cold one minute then boiling hot the next, sometimes it feels like both at the same time. Through the roof anxiety and depression. Like a panic attack that will not go away, feeling like you might,or want to die. Sleep is obviously impossible. Bad lower back, feels like adrenal glands are being ripped to shreds. All over body pain and cramps. Feeling like you just want to use, feeling that it is lasting forever, it's not going to stop unless you do something about it, but you can't do anything.
I jumped off at 8mg, ,cold turkey. It is day 7 now and I think the worst is over but It is still quite bad.
I do not recommend this at all. I hate the fact that I let myself get on this c**p in the first place. I was an IV heroin user. 8mg was too much for them to start me on. It was a mistake to miss my meds and get into a position where I had no choice but to cold turkey.
I'm sort of glad I did it. I'm free from them horrible pills now. I am more determined than ever to stay away from opiates, I just cannot go through this hell again.
Good luck everyone and all the best for you.
-Mathew
im on day 4 with no sub. i felt terrible these few days, does it get worse or better..to me it seems im getting better..but i only did it for 2 mths ..i would never take the whole 8mg i have always cut it in quarters.. then the last week or so i was doin a 8th of a piece ,,which looks like nothing but it helps..i dnt want to depend on this drug..today is day 4..so with me just taking very very small pieces once a day..im tryin to get someone to let me know how long my withdrawls will be..i feel like i have the flu..seems its starting to ease up a lil but im thinkin bc of my xanax i take..i have no troubles sleeping FINALLY i stil wake up really early :( ..i just want this horrible nightmare over with so i can enjoy life instead of laying in bed everyday!!!
Small world. I'm about 15 minutes north of Pittsburgh but I go to meetings in the south, east, etc.
Keep it up. Good luck
Don't give up, Matt. Just remember that you'll never have to go through those first 6 days again. Every day forward is a step in the right direction. I don't envy the situation you're in but it doesn't change the fact that you're in it. Lay low if you can and tough it out. Let us know how you're doing. We're all here to help.
Listen mannnnnn...All i can do is speak for myself and iv'e been to war with suboxone a couple times in my life.....like a whole war with battles and everything lol...nah really though i was on subs 4 different times and kicked 4 different times- 3 of the times coming off 8mg cold turkey and the other time coming off of 4mg subs...im tellin you mannnech time i was takin for a good 5 to 6 months easy so i was on them for a while yo and suboxone kciked my ass.....yea subs beat me down to the point where when i was kicking i was thinking at times how in the mothafu*kin hell do you not die from taking subs becasue i was feeling so shitty and cripples no food no nothing stomach fuckkkkkkkkked up and 24/7 feels like i had ice cold metal running through my viens like i was being injected with spurts of some cold ass sh*t....anyway mannn thats wassup i to ech there own i dont discriminate i can never judge anybody ever in my life becasue who am I to judge somebody when I'm the one that should be getting judged for all the wrongs I've done....thats why this drug sh*t is so much more deeper than you think brahhh its not just fun now like when i was 15 or 16 or into my early 20's and sh*t its different now because back gthen i would taje a drug and that would be that i would get screwed up for the night chill out, allways stay on point ""G"$hiNe" u allready know, and i wasent psysically addicted to anything, but now, sheeeeeeeeeet if i run out of subs im goin through it budddy but i literally only take 2 mg's a day and if i dont take it for 48 hours i strat getting that sh*t heavy homey
I understand. I mean I don't want to be on meds any more. I have been off subs for three months now and I still have intenintense cravings for pain pills. However, I exercise to try and tame such cravings. It was hell and to be quite honest I still fight the anxiety and fatigue. Good luck to you and everyone else...
I understand. I mean I don't want to be on meds any more. I have been off subs for three months now and I still have intenintense cravings for pain pills. However, I exercise to try and tame such cravings. It was hell and to be quite honest I still fight the anxiety and fatigue. Good luck to you and everyone else...
I'm on day 11/12. I never had flu symptoms. I had the physical WD like crazy. Days got better at day 5 or 6. The nights are most difficult. My legs are killing me. I'm not taking the meds I was prescribed tonight. I just think I feel worse. I am trying to exercise even if it's for a minute lifting my arms over my head then bringingthem all the way down and inhaling and exhaling really hard. It'ssupposed to get theblood flowing to the brain and I feel like it helps w energy. Omg I had to go back to my 9-5 job today and it was rough!! I went home at 5 so spent and my back was drenched. I was hot / cold all day. I tried so hard to make it through. My office thinks I had a procedure and was out for that reason so I had a lot of help today. I am dreading this week but I really have no choice. I'm eating super healthy & taking a ton of vitamins. I swear the ride to and from work is the best. Blasting favorite music is very exhilarating. I got that advice from Purrpill and took a ride in my car one night & it was a great high. I have learned so much being here. I wish I liked bananas lol I heard very good for the potassium. I have to pick up a supplement.
Whats crazy is the sneezing. I sneeze literally 20 times a day & I'm a not a sneezer. I guess it's the toxins coming out ?? This is really hard. I'm not gonna lie, I want to sometimes give up & it's easily accessible for me to do so but I'm waiting to feel better. Anyone know how much longer?? Vicodin 10-30 a day for 3 years and sub for 3 years and only tapered the last month to the 2 mg. I felt like c**p when I tapered from the 8's to the 2's.
I give you all the strength to do this, they say sub WD can't kill you. It's painful but we can't be prisoners to this drug forever, and for your story of cancer survival....amazing! Stay strong! Try to hit a tanning bed Jess lol. I did that the other night & it helped somewhat. It was so hot in there. I'm still trying to get to a gym to try the sauna but I def don't wanna see people at the gym right now lol i'm barely mobile. I visibly look like I'm in pain. Lord knows how I made it through Easter dinner & chasing after kids and dogs. Alot of ups and downs but they are getting shorter and shorter each day so I'll keep you posted. The first few days are really rough but it subsides for sure.
Any other advise for the restless legs??? Nighttime is the worst!! No sleep no matter how many sleep aids I take. I just wanna sleep so bad. I sleep an hour at a time and the past few nights maybe 2-3 hrs at a time so it's improving.
Take care everyone!!!! Dina :-) we have each other!!!!
Hitting some warm weather is a good idea for when the WD kicks in. I couldn't believe when it was 55-65 the past few days here and the warmth of the sun felt incredible. So when I'm home I'm with an electric blanket and thismassagers thing on my calves, the pain is sick. And you need energy in your legs to walk. I'm gonna do some more research. That dr. Oztaught me lots of stuff. It was funny I usually work all the time and never home for daytime tv and Friday was an energy episode. I have it saved and continue watching & taking advice. I need all I can get. I never used H, maybe meth once or twice. That's not a problem for me, I do party w co. A few times a year when I'm with a certain group. No addiction. Just partying, but the pills and sub......crazy addicted! Cannot wait to feel normal withoutopiates. If it wasn't for ppl here coming back to help w success stories, I def would have given up, so THANK YOU from the bottom of my heart. Ill try to give updates for those going through this, whats your email Jess? Are we allowed to share that? What are you down to exactly. Good luck with your new job tomorrow!!You're gonna do great. Taper taper...and slowly. I'm sure you've checked different avenues. I'm here for you!!! Dina
Matt, you can do this!!!! Couple of more days and you won't have those symptoms. They do subside. Try to feed your body foods they say to eat. Nojunk food! Check in. Wanna make sure you're ok!! My new drinks of choice is grape pedialyte and green tee, things I've never tried before, I'mdetermined, I'm done w the sub!
Dina,
You said that we cannot be prisoners to this drug forever, meaning Suboxone. I used Heroin for 8 years. Thanks to Suboxone I will be coming up on 9 years clean. Suboxone saved my life. 11 rehabs were a failure. Everything I tried to do to stop Heroin was a failure. I was a chronic relapser. Suboxone was my last hope...and it was a success. Yes, I still take it and hope to take it for the rest of my life. Is it worth stopping? When you stop the Suboxone, then you have the withdrawals from hell, then after the withdrawals are over, you have a good chance of relapse because you have no protection. Suboxone kills Heroin cravings. Why not just stay on the Suboxone? I have taken it faithfully every single day of my life for the past 8 years and I am not a prisoner of it. Without Suboxone, I would be homeless, on the streets, and still shooting up. And I now continue my job as a school teacher and hold a Master's Degree in Education from Johns Hopkins. (I am from Baltimore and Hopkins is a 15 minute drive). I thank God every day for Suboxone!
I feel a lot better today. I am eating and getting up and doing things. Worst is over now. I still can't sleep properly. Feels like I have normal flu, instead of flu X100. I must admit I went and got some OTC codeine/APAP today in hopes it will help me sleep tonight. Getting down from a few days of minor codeine use will be nothing compared to heroin or subox withdrawals.
I know this is not the end. I need to change my whole life to get away from the temptation to start using again.
but for now I thank god that the pain is over.
I'm really sorry Bob. I never used H so I dont know. For me, I became more addicted to pain pills and they ruined me. I am 5' 1" and weigh 88 lbs. Before my pill addiction and Sub, I was 105. I cant wait to look and feel healthier. This forum is for Sub WD symptoms, no? I figured people here may feel the same. I've gone thru Vicodin WD and it was like 1-3 days and over. This is beyond words. It sucks but I'm sticking to it. Thats amazing that you became so accomplished. Listen I am not a doctor. Suboxone may be your answer. It's not mine. Good luck to you sweetie!
Bob, I really think the suboxone(and methadone for that matter because they are similar drugs) cause a lot of internal problems and side effects for most people. Did you know that the makers of suboxone recommend annual liver function testing? All drugs are hard on the liver, suboxone especially. I have heard people say their sub doctors never ordered a liver function test in all the years they went. That is because they will be abnormal and then the doctor cannot prescribe suboxone to you anymore, because it would be a health risk. So, that is my theory of why the doctors do not do what the manufacturers highly recommend. Bob, now that you are at a good place in life it would be beneficial for you to stop. The drug 'cravings' are not won with drugs. You won that battle yourself, whether you know it or not. I have know many people who were 'using' the entire time while taking suboxone. You are selling yourself short, big time. The drug has little to do with how well you are doing now! I apologize if I am coming off arrogant, but I hate that a stupid drug has people writhing in fear of relapse if they stop using it. That is nonsense. I hope you give yourself more credit, YOU deserve it..not suboxone!