Just so you know its damn near impossible to OD on suboxone when I didnt ever take opiates I took a whole 8 mg pill just kept nodding in and out harder then I ever had, way less euphoric then dope but way way harder nodd. I would fall asleep complty have a super nice drream wake up b like f**k im nodding my balls offf zon. Anyway The reason docs like suboxone so much is it doesn't reall cause as bad chest depression. Like your heart/lungs wont just stop working cuz u got so high. all the other opiates will cause that sh*t to just stop but suboxone is reletively safe unless you are tiny and Eat a full one having never had opiates before. Pretty much only children or babys this would apply and sadly when this does happen narcan will most of the time not work because buprenorphine has such a strong affinity for the Opiate receptors naloxone and narcan can't do sh*t to pull it out even when someone is injected with hundreds of MG of naloxone/narcan. SO keep them the f**k out of reach of children so kids stop dieing from taking the candy MOMMY and DADDY wont let them ever have. mommy and daddy like that candy so much they never share I beat I will like it.. EWW it doesnt taste very good but im gonna suck on it cuz mommy and daddy do it and I wanta grow up to be just like them... SAD but I know this happens Im sure of it w.o ever seeing a report about it.. anyway Dont frikkin take suboxone if u dont need it and if u do need it man the f**k up and just quit doing dope or oxy or w.e ur f*****g with. cuz post acute withdrawal syndrome is way f*****g worse and longer then just kicking dope or oxy even if you take .2mg thats right 200mcg(micro gram) pretty much Think of suboxone as the very last resort that in the end you will hate as much as you would hate methadone. If your on methadone I would def take the withdrawls from suboxone over methadone. But unless you are on methadone and trying to get off I would never get on suboxone. I know that I used opiates for 2 years and finnally got into dope for the last 6 months a Gram a day. And I would take that withdrawl over Suboxone PAWS (post acute withdrawal syndrome) because like methadone Suboxones withdrawl will last you around 4 months. it also just gives your brain a longer time to get more addicted to a form of opiates. pretty much I was doing suboxone and oxys for a year and got up to taking 240 mg snorted a day annd then after a year started doing dope. Thought that suboxone would be the easy way to quit doctors make it out to be, but its not. Its only the way to go if u use it for Detox for less then a 1 week period like taking. 12mg, 8mg, 6mg, 4mg, 2mg. Then your done and you will feel unlike urself for 2 weeks but this not like you self for 2 weeks IS sooo much better then The PAWS suboxone.. and if you were just to quit the oxy or heroin u would just feel crazy sick for 5 days then for 2 weeks max anxious and mentally crave that sh*t like madd but Which is better. In my opion it is to just kick the opiates like a f*****g Man. dont f**k up like i did and try to take the easy way out to just get screwed in the ass by your doctor and have them control ur life to such a degree its outa control.. and the longer ur on subs the harder it is to stop due to mental sh*t and every time u try u get the paws and there never seems like theres an end and they will always give u more no matter what they need/want ur money. At my awsome clinic who servers 300 people 100 per doctor. well at that place they have been perscribeing the suboxone to people for either 7 or 8 years. Guess how many people that have quit.. Guess come on.. NO ONE NOT A SOUL. the best they have done is me. But thats only because I want it. and I still haven't kicked it I take from .2-1mg a day from 24 mg they started me on and the whole way from 16mg to sober u feel it and notice how much it sucks penis.
All of the reasons above are why you should never consider getting onto suboxone or subutex to fix a heroin or oxy or morphine addiction only to fix your methadone addiction. All of the short acting opiates fentynal included, they all are much more senceable to just kick that sh*t on ur own like a MAN/WOMAN, In the end of the day if u dont heed my warning you will end up in my shoes hating ur choices and hating every day u take ur little pill under the tongue feeling just as bad as every day Going to the methadone clinic to feel sick every f*****g morning of ur life.. That is not a life in my opion. and most people on subs still get high.. and if ur on high dose oxy or morphine you will still get super jammed of suboxone. I was doing 240mg oxy a day and half a suboxone got me jamed untill i started shooting heroin.
The reason I suggest suboxone to people on methadone is, People on methadone are really doomed in my opion. ITs the one drug that doctors really feel that if used for pain management they will only start it for pain if this med is going to be used until the death of the person gettting it. This is due to how much methadone gets into your body, when people say it gets in your bones it is totally true,and totally horrible. alot of people who have kicked methadone for years they still feel unlike themselfs and odd and withdrawls to a degree. But methadone is like taking the withdrawls given to you by heroin and extending them for 6 months and then leaveing extremely bad PAWS for the next year after that at least. and it doesnt matter too much about lowerin your dose. LONG ACTING = LONG SUFFERING and PAIN. For those on methadone there is something that can save you. You guys should b extremely happy about suboxone it is the drug made to really save ur life. It isnt easy and wont b fun but it is doable and will really change your life no more constant extreme highs and low lows . when switching from Methadone to subs you should stop the methadone for 2-3 days the longer u can go before taking the suboxone the better as bupenorphine will pull methadone out of the opiate receptors causing presipitated withdrawl symptoms pretty much the worst withdrawls u've ever had. If you've had cotton fever this is about what it will be. Anyway after 2 days Minimum you start taking the suboxone the highest dose you can get on 24-32 mg not sure what eh max is but its one of those two. Stay on suboxone for 6 months then start to taper, do it at ur pace but get down to the smallest dose as fast as your body will let you. And it is much easyer to reduce your dose by doseing more then once a day the more you dose the easyer to drop ur dose. So once u have been on suboxone for a total of 1-2 years then time to jump off. Once u do that ur in for some bad PAWS but this will b far worth it in the end had you originally been on methadone. Because this process Will make your life Much much more manageable, If your really trying to get clean. if you are doing this just to get rid of ur stigma that you take methadone and expect a high from suboxone well then ur outa luck as well.. theres no high to speak of.. sorry..
Anyway sorry for ranting people but my last point is, The way that I started to lower my suboxone dose was like this. also keep in mind I was using it after 2 years of short acting opiates such as heroin and oxys normal doses of dope was a gram and oxy was 240.
So I started on 24 mg a day of suboxone and then after a week, I started to only take 16 mg. I did not notice a diffrence really just mentally knew I was taking less. then after a few weeks I donno how long for sure about a month, I cut another 8 mg off. I started to dose twice a day with 4 mg. for the first 3-5 days I was taking 8 then 12 then 8 then 12 then 8 and once my body got that we were going on a lower dose it was fine, a little bit of a runny nose. thats it. when taking 12 mg I would do 4mg peices 3 time daily because midday I wouldnt be feeling so hot or somthing. Anyway from 8 down was the real hard area. I went from 8 to 4 mg but it took a while to make it happen. This is how it went after being on 8 for about 2 mabye 3 months, I first decided I would dose 4 times a day. I started takin 2 mg 4 time daily. then I slowly cut out a dose per day and made it only morning noon and before bed. would do the lower dose by doing 2mg 3time daily for about about 2 weeks on and off taking the 8 mg total once and a while by bumping up the extra 2mg dose per day. I also Would drop down to 4 mg total per day during this period a few days outa the 2ish weeks. then once I had done this for a month I was down to 2mg twice daily my normal twice daily is a big reason why i think droping my dose was easy, and because I really listened to my body. I also would try to just quit cold turkey some days during that month and Would fail after a day but thats a great way to make only 4 mg per day feel fine after needing normaly 8 mg per day. So I then started to do the same dance with it again after about a month from 4 mg I made it into large dose morning and low dose at night so like 3 mg a day then mixed it up with the days off and 2mg a day 1 morning one night. and kept switching it just depending on what I could deal with for withdrawls in regaurd to the day of the week and if i had work and if i could sleep in ect. weekends are great to not take a night dose or something so u can sleep in real late noon mabye take a small dose then night small dose. anyway I continued this dance until I have gotten to were Im at now I regularly take .5 mg twice day so 1 mg a day total one at night one in morning. once at a mg a day I noticed that If I cut it in have some days to just 2 crumbs one morning and one night I really dont notice much at all and I do plan to cut my dose down. But I have stayed at 250 MCG (.25mg)-1mg (1000MCG) a day for the past 2 months. And I have also taken a few days off as of late I notice its pretty much the same PAWS stuff and mental BS that I got when I would take days off from 4-8 mg. Runny nose, obsessing about when my next dose would be(when I would cave in to the craving ). Restless till I decide "take that dose.
This whole game has been a far longer and more trublesome one in My opion then every time I just quit dope cold turkey and would take about 1-3 mg of Klonopin a day. less and less after the first 5 days. and then about .5 - 1 mg a day for the 3 weeks of PAWS experinced from the heroin. anyway Im just writing all this to give people the other perspective from someone who has started and gotten pretty far down the heroin/oxy/suboxone path. I would never choose this path again if I were to relapse I would just quit the sh*t after a month or 2 so I wouldnt b feeling the sub withdrawl once off the dope. But hopfully I can respect this path And what I have let it do to me/what I have done to me because I was weak. I just want people to know this perspective is really widely agreed with and all the people who got on suboxone to quit opiates slowly so they didnt have to go through withdrawls, are very mad at themself and feel foolish as all hell for starting this game and not just doing like they should and quit the opiate cold turkey, knowing what I know and others know You would never consider what you are when u think about doing the suboxone game...
I really hope this helped someone and that its not writen to poorly. I know I can rant but I think this info is pretty straight forward except the area where I spoke about how I tappered But If you can understand it, it might well give you a great guide for how you should tapper. Its all about the Dance and The full days off are a key area to being able to take a extremely smaller dose the day after the one off, and feel completly fine like you had taken the higher dose u were use to as of 2 days ago. (36 hours if taken at night then not for the full day and night of next day which is what i meant), If your a smart person and dont want to make a big choice on something just one person has said then Please read through some of this web site. www.subsux.com This site is full of people that Are like minded and also wish suboxone was the actully the wonder drug that your Dealer (aka Your sub doctor) says it is. they alll want money and to keep you hooked. they haven't thought up something as conniving since Methadone, This is just far worse because they make it out to b somthing that is amazing and all sorts of things that are good. Sure this is the case but only as long as u stay on the sh*t. Once you stop you will relize its not as easy to stop as you thought and were told and I think suboxone just breeds a much longer stronger addiction in people to have more truble not relapseing ect.
Anyway if anyone wants my help in tapering and getting off this sh*t I am totally willing to give you my time and my best aid I can. I want to help people and by doing that and helping them kick I in turn Am helping myself kick and get to a better space. soo PM me or get back to me in this thread Either way It will be around 6-24 hours till i get back to you but I will and I will do anything I can to help I have alot of knowledge on this subject and Have spent over 500 hours looking at 100's of diffrent sources to learn all I can about addiction and this drug suboxone, ect.
Also an amazingly good Truthful website is ***edited by moderator*** web addresses not allowed (this is a site run by a doctor who got addicted to opiates that he would perscribe himself and then decieded to kick it and got on suboxone thinking what everyone tells you its no big deal to kick this way, now he is still on it today and also perscribes it to people. I believe about 40-100 not sure which he does exactly but I know he perscribes it and also takes it himself to this day i believe. this is his blog but it might as well be called a forum because people respond to his post and ask questions ect ect, he can read and explain studys and such far better then someone like me who is self tought how to understand research study mumbo jumbo. and dont forget ***edited by moderator*** web addresses not allowed which is a straight forward forum ..
If you have read all of this you clearly have a strong want to get clean or at least under all the addiction lies and BS you feed yourself you really wonder if suboxone is right or if u should get on it to begin with. Read through both of the sites and learn more and pm or leave a post for me if u got questions or comments.. .Thank you anyone who read this all I hope I can Help you and by doing so you will be helping me. . .
All of the reasons above are why you should never consider getting onto suboxone or subutex to fix a heroin or oxy or morphine addiction only to fix your methadone addiction. All of the short acting opiates fentynal included, they all are much more senceable to just kick that sh*t on ur own like a MAN/WOMAN, In the end of the day if u dont heed my warning you will end up in my shoes hating ur choices and hating every day u take ur little pill under the tongue feeling just as bad as every day Going to the methadone clinic to feel sick every f*****g morning of ur life.. That is not a life in my opion. and most people on subs still get high.. and if ur on high dose oxy or morphine you will still get super jammed of suboxone. I was doing 240mg oxy a day and half a suboxone got me jamed untill i started shooting heroin.
The reason I suggest suboxone to people on methadone is, People on methadone are really doomed in my opion. ITs the one drug that doctors really feel that if used for pain management they will only start it for pain if this med is going to be used until the death of the person gettting it. This is due to how much methadone gets into your body, when people say it gets in your bones it is totally true,and totally horrible. alot of people who have kicked methadone for years they still feel unlike themselfs and odd and withdrawls to a degree. But methadone is like taking the withdrawls given to you by heroin and extending them for 6 months and then leaveing extremely bad PAWS for the next year after that at least. and it doesnt matter too much about lowerin your dose. LONG ACTING = LONG SUFFERING and PAIN. For those on methadone there is something that can save you. You guys should b extremely happy about suboxone it is the drug made to really save ur life. It isnt easy and wont b fun but it is doable and will really change your life no more constant extreme highs and low lows . when switching from Methadone to subs you should stop the methadone for 2-3 days the longer u can go before taking the suboxone the better as bupenorphine will pull methadone out of the opiate receptors causing presipitated withdrawl symptoms pretty much the worst withdrawls u've ever had. If you've had cotton fever this is about what it will be. Anyway after 2 days Minimum you start taking the suboxone the highest dose you can get on 24-32 mg not sure what eh max is but its one of those two. Stay on suboxone for 6 months then start to taper, do it at ur pace but get down to the smallest dose as fast as your body will let you. And it is much easyer to reduce your dose by doseing more then once a day the more you dose the easyer to drop ur dose. So once u have been on suboxone for a total of 1-2 years then time to jump off. Once u do that ur in for some bad PAWS but this will b far worth it in the end had you originally been on methadone. Because this process Will make your life Much much more manageable, If your really trying to get clean. if you are doing this just to get rid of ur stigma that you take methadone and expect a high from suboxone well then ur outa luck as well.. theres no high to speak of.. sorry..
Anyway sorry for ranting people but my last point is, The way that I started to lower my suboxone dose was like this. also keep in mind I was using it after 2 years of short acting opiates such as heroin and oxys normal doses of dope was a gram and oxy was 240.
So I started on 24 mg a day of suboxone and then after a week, I started to only take 16 mg. I did not notice a diffrence really just mentally knew I was taking less. then after a few weeks I donno how long for sure about a month, I cut another 8 mg off. I started to dose twice a day with 4 mg. for the first 3-5 days I was taking 8 then 12 then 8 then 12 then 8 and once my body got that we were going on a lower dose it was fine, a little bit of a runny nose. thats it. when taking 12 mg I would do 4mg peices 3 time daily because midday I wouldnt be feeling so hot or somthing. Anyway from 8 down was the real hard area. I went from 8 to 4 mg but it took a while to make it happen. This is how it went after being on 8 for about 2 mabye 3 months, I first decided I would dose 4 times a day. I started takin 2 mg 4 time daily. then I slowly cut out a dose per day and made it only morning noon and before bed. would do the lower dose by doing 2mg 3time daily for about about 2 weeks on and off taking the 8 mg total once and a while by bumping up the extra 2mg dose per day. I also Would drop down to 4 mg total per day during this period a few days outa the 2ish weeks. then once I had done this for a month I was down to 2mg twice daily my normal twice daily is a big reason why i think droping my dose was easy, and because I really listened to my body. I also would try to just quit cold turkey some days during that month and Would fail after a day but thats a great way to make only 4 mg per day feel fine after needing normaly 8 mg per day. So I then started to do the same dance with it again after about a month from 4 mg I made it into large dose morning and low dose at night so like 3 mg a day then mixed it up with the days off and 2mg a day 1 morning one night. and kept switching it just depending on what I could deal with for withdrawls in regaurd to the day of the week and if i had work and if i could sleep in ect. weekends are great to not take a night dose or something so u can sleep in real late noon mabye take a small dose then night small dose. anyway I continued this dance until I have gotten to were Im at now I regularly take .5 mg twice day so 1 mg a day total one at night one in morning. once at a mg a day I noticed that If I cut it in have some days to just 2 crumbs one morning and one night I really dont notice much at all and I do plan to cut my dose down. But I have stayed at 250 MCG (.25mg)-1mg (1000MCG) a day for the past 2 months. And I have also taken a few days off as of late I notice its pretty much the same PAWS stuff and mental BS that I got when I would take days off from 4-8 mg. Runny nose, obsessing about when my next dose would be(when I would cave in to the craving ). Restless till I decide "take that dose.
This whole game has been a far longer and more trublesome one in My opion then every time I just quit dope cold turkey and would take about 1-3 mg of Klonopin a day. less and less after the first 5 days. and then about .5 - 1 mg a day for the 3 weeks of PAWS experinced from the heroin. anyway Im just writing all this to give people the other perspective from someone who has started and gotten pretty far down the heroin/oxy/suboxone path. I would never choose this path again if I were to relapse I would just quit the sh*t after a month or 2 so I wouldnt b feeling the sub withdrawl once off the dope. But hopfully I can respect this path And what I have let it do to me/what I have done to me because I was weak. I just want people to know this perspective is really widely agreed with and all the people who got on suboxone to quit opiates slowly so they didnt have to go through withdrawls, are very mad at themself and feel foolish as all hell for starting this game and not just doing like they should and quit the opiate cold turkey, knowing what I know and others know You would never consider what you are when u think about doing the suboxone game...
I really hope this helped someone and that its not writen to poorly. I know I can rant but I think this info is pretty straight forward except the area where I spoke about how I tappered But If you can understand it, it might well give you a great guide for how you should tapper. Its all about the Dance and The full days off are a key area to being able to take a extremely smaller dose the day after the one off, and feel completly fine like you had taken the higher dose u were use to as of 2 days ago. (36 hours if taken at night then not for the full day and night of next day which is what i meant), If your a smart person and dont want to make a big choice on something just one person has said then Please read through some of this web site. www.subsux.com This site is full of people that Are like minded and also wish suboxone was the actully the wonder drug that your Dealer (aka Your sub doctor) says it is. they alll want money and to keep you hooked. they haven't thought up something as conniving since Methadone, This is just far worse because they make it out to b somthing that is amazing and all sorts of things that are good. Sure this is the case but only as long as u stay on the sh*t. Once you stop you will relize its not as easy to stop as you thought and were told and I think suboxone just breeds a much longer stronger addiction in people to have more truble not relapseing ect.
Anyway if anyone wants my help in tapering and getting off this sh*t I am totally willing to give you my time and my best aid I can. I want to help people and by doing that and helping them kick I in turn Am helping myself kick and get to a better space. soo PM me or get back to me in this thread Either way It will be around 6-24 hours till i get back to you but I will and I will do anything I can to help I have alot of knowledge on this subject and Have spent over 500 hours looking at 100's of diffrent sources to learn all I can about addiction and this drug suboxone, ect.
Also an amazingly good Truthful website is ***edited by moderator*** web addresses not allowed (this is a site run by a doctor who got addicted to opiates that he would perscribe himself and then decieded to kick it and got on suboxone thinking what everyone tells you its no big deal to kick this way, now he is still on it today and also perscribes it to people. I believe about 40-100 not sure which he does exactly but I know he perscribes it and also takes it himself to this day i believe. this is his blog but it might as well be called a forum because people respond to his post and ask questions ect ect, he can read and explain studys and such far better then someone like me who is self tought how to understand research study mumbo jumbo. and dont forget ***edited by moderator*** web addresses not allowed which is a straight forward forum ..
If you have read all of this you clearly have a strong want to get clean or at least under all the addiction lies and BS you feed yourself you really wonder if suboxone is right or if u should get on it to begin with. Read through both of the sites and learn more and pm or leave a post for me if u got questions or comments.. .Thank you anyone who read this all I hope I can Help you and by doing so you will be helping me. . .
The reason you didnt over dose is suboxone is a partail agonist and after about 4 mg there is a pretty big ceiling effect that kicks in if you are on suboxone at any dose OD'ing on it is for those who are stupid as dirt. You just waste a drug that you willl soon b needing when it does not kill you and you begin to relize your out of them a 4 days early haha u fool. anyway Like i said before you can OD On the stuff but I would say you would have to b rather small and taking an 8 mg pill or more. around 100 pound person is my opion.
the other way you can for sure die is By mixing IT with Benzos if Ur naive to benzos or suboxone. so if u are a benzo addict and take a normal to high dose for urself and then a 8 mg sub, u may die from this. Or more likly if u are on suboxone and benzo naive And take a pretty large dose of Benzos. you may die.. Most likly tho is Suboxone addict who takes benzos and also has a few drinks.. Also someone who is on subs who takes some benzos and some muscle relaxents all of these combos may well killl ur dumb asss...
the other way you can for sure die is By mixing IT with Benzos if Ur naive to benzos or suboxone. so if u are a benzo addict and take a normal to high dose for urself and then a 8 mg sub, u may die from this. Or more likly if u are on suboxone and benzo naive And take a pretty large dose of Benzos. you may die.. Most likly tho is Suboxone addict who takes benzos and also has a few drinks.. Also someone who is on subs who takes some benzos and some muscle relaxents all of these combos may well killl ur dumb asss...
The guy that wrote the long novel about not taking suboxone for opiate addiction unless you're trying to kick dones, is wrong. I was a straight junkie for 3 years and still regularly took them 2 years prior. I just didn't have that severe physical dependence until the past 3 years. I tried cold turkey. 3 weeks of hell with no results. The only thing i got from it were seizures and panic attacks like crazy. I also went the benzo route to try to get off the opiates. It's when you replace your opiate fix with klons and xanny to keep your mind off of the opiates. That worked for a week or two but I can't operate on benzos, I turn into a zombie like many others do. I got off of those in hopes that i would be able to ride out the next 2 weeks without anything....didn't happen. After contemplating suicide vs life, i decided i had to kick the o.c. for good. I went to another psychiatrist who prescribed me Subutex which is just 8mg of buprenorphine WITHOUT naloxone. It was a miracle drug. I was able to kick that sh*t in 6 months. I was taking 24mg a day to start then in weeks i was down to 16. One in morning one at night. About 2 months after I was pushed down to 12mg (1.5 subutex). The only negative side effect from this drug that occured was a little edgyness from going down in dosage but it subsided after about a week of the new dose. Eventually i moved down in dosage all the way down to 2mg a day. From there i was able to kick it for good with only taking 1 every 3 days or so (my personal choice, not was the doctor prescribed) Sure, i had a minor headache every now and then when i didnt have my script but the tiny random headaches for a week are far better then Severe opiate withdrawals. Suboxone and Subutex are great meds. I would personally suggest subutex without naloxone once you get further in your recovery. It's not safe for a fresh addict to take subutex because you have more freedom with what you can take. Only take subutex if you are serious about getting clean. And it doens't just take a pill and all of a sudden you're clean. You need to have a support system or counseling(NA, psychiatrist, rehab groups, etc.) and you have to stay away from the drugs and the people with them.
Overdosing dosnt necessarily mean dying. You can overdose on suboxone. Perhaps you cannot kill yourself, but yes you can overdose I've seen it happen.
If you are NOT opiate dependant you can get high, overdose and die from suboxone use. Opiate dependant people can not get high because though suboxone is an opiate, it is a partial agonist opiate which means there is a ceiling on the feelings you get from it. A non-opiate dependant person will feel a sense of euphoria from suboxone while a dependant person will just remain "not sick". People who have no tolorance for opiates should not be taking suboxone. It is stupid and dangerous
I just thought I would chime in and clarify this, since this is actually showing up on google and people are probably reading it still. You can overdose on suboxone, but it is very very very unlikely to happen to a normal adult or teenager. Children, especially infants, can have respiratory failure from as little as I think it was 4 maybe 3mg. For older people, especially those who may have health issues, suboxone can be a dangerous chemical.
Adderall as we all know is a stimulant, and even though many people may not think so it is a very strong and addicting stimulate at that. Mixing any type of downer and stimulate regularly or in large doses is dangerous, as your heart is constantly in flux over long periods of time or your heart is spiking over short periods of time, both of which essentially wears your heart out to put it simply. Again, this is really unlikely, and chances are that if you mix the two you will be fine as long as it is within moderation. And even if you binge, it will probably be ok. But, if it becomes something you religiously do, or something you do in extreme, then be careful. Adderall is no joke, its not some weak kiddy drug, in my many years of experience with hard drugs, I would say adderall is one of the most euphoric and addicting substances one could abuse.
Remember, moderation is key, it will save your life if you are journeying into this dark, dark world.
Adderall as we all know is a stimulant, and even though many people may not think so it is a very strong and addicting stimulate at that. Mixing any type of downer and stimulate regularly or in large doses is dangerous, as your heart is constantly in flux over long periods of time or your heart is spiking over short periods of time, both of which essentially wears your heart out to put it simply. Again, this is really unlikely, and chances are that if you mix the two you will be fine as long as it is within moderation. And even if you binge, it will probably be ok. But, if it becomes something you religiously do, or something you do in extreme, then be careful. Adderall is no joke, its not some weak kiddy drug, in my many years of experience with hard drugs, I would say adderall is one of the most euphoric and addicting substances one could abuse.
Remember, moderation is key, it will save your life if you are journeying into this dark, dark world.
Now thats what I am talking about 35 and High to die rather than 85 and dry hahahah
Hey Mr. long writer,
I'd love to see where you're at currently with you taper down. It looks like it's been almost a year since you wrote this short novel, lol. I agree with lots of it and would love to take you up on your offer if you're still willing to help me get off subs? Please let me know. My name is Joel ***this post is edited by moderator *** *** private e-mails not allowed*** Please read our Terms of Use
Hope to hear from you or anyone else willing to help me get off suboxone.
Thanks!!
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Quick comment on the live free, happy and high and die in 5 years then live to be 80 without drugs. I'm a former herion addict for about 6 years. At that time I was forced into rehab also. I was at the methadone clinic for about 2 years. I've been clean for about 4 years after I left the clinic. To be 100% honest I felt the same exact way as you do about the living High or not at all when I was doing drugs. Sence I was about 15 years old I've party kind hard, anything from rolls, crack, cocaine, shrooms, pot, specail K, etc... When i hit 18 thats when i started with the OC and herion. I really lived and breathed to get high.
After 4 years of being 100% clean my attitude has completty change.I wake up every moring with a type of natural high. I really feel great
I'm not sure if it's because I've done drugs for so long and forgot what it felt like to feel normal or what. I don't take any prescripition drugs or any thing. best decision of my life
I know a lot of people on both ends of the spectrum. both that take prescriptions (subs,zanys,valium,etc..) and people that gave it all up, including myself. I can guarenty that all people that gave it all up are all very happy and very much successful.
It just takes time and a little bit of effort buddy. I know it probaly seems out of reach but its really not. I've seen people a lot older then 30 get away from drugs.
The reason I'm writing this is because about a year ago my best friend had 1 slip up with H.after being clean for a couple years. He ended up over dosing. He didn't make it to the hospital fast enough. He didn't die, but he kind of wishes he would've because he lost his speak and he walks like a cripple. more or less totally a different person. kinda a zombie
I've had a few friends OD, but this one really sent it home for me.
This messages is coming from a former strait up junkie, so I hope you take it to heart
Haha! @ the person who said you're sad if you're using suboxone to get high, that's just hilarious. As if using H is some noble cause or something! High is high... To the people who say you can't OD, BS! Chances are if you're prescribed it you cannot, because of a pre-existing opiate tollerance, but if taken without opiate tollerance, proceed with freaking caution! Taken recreationally/without a script, or on the off chance a doc has no idea what they are doing, the regular rules apply, it's on the same level as methadone if you ask me, in fact I thought it was WAY more wicked than 'done.
I've realized that all these so-called experts on the internet just post stuff based on their own experience, not based on overall risks and effects. Bottom line, Bup and Naloxone are opiates, they can have INCREDIBLY NASTY effects on people, they cause resperitory depression like any opiate, they indeed get you high at first and it's pretty wicked too, but the "hangover" is wicked too... And mixing with amphet salts isn't "safe", as somebody mentioned, it's a speedball... Just because it comes from a pharmacy and doctor prescribed, even endorsed, does not make it safe nor does it change the game. Only thing "safer" about legit pharmeceuticals is the fact they were produced in a safe environment with quality ingredients, which means a lot but doesn't make the active ingredients somehow magically better. If Heroin and Meth were produced by drug companies, they'd be "safer", but they'd still be Heroin and Meth... Just sayin'
People that want easy answers should simply refer to Reagan Era drug advice, "Just say no". Use your brain, this c**p isn't butterscotch topping or peanut butter and jelly sandwiches, it's drugs, kinda "hard" drugs too.(if you ask me though, alcohol is the "hardest" drug out there... no medical value whatsoever and it just destroys you)
Im not sure if this is the answer you are looking for, but I think I get what your saying. In my case I feel that thesuboxone is a downer and amphetamines are uppers, so they sort of cancel eachother out. I mean, youll still feel the adderall but not nearly as much as you would if you werent on subs, and also i find while your on the subs, it cuts the time the adderall lasts in half from 4-5 hours to maybe 3 if your lucky. Doesnt seem like this combo is working for me. Hope that helped.
you can but the effect of the adderall will be way less than if you werent taking subs. They say there are no interactions but based on experience, i can tell you the sub brings the aderall down very quickly
That was the dumbest asss comment I've ever heard in my life... And Ive even been doing drugs for years... Problem is I have never met or seen a happy drug addict.. People that are on drugs forget what true happiness is because they create a fake happy with the drugs and lose the ability to enjoy anything without them.. I quit and regained the ability to be happy naturally, I have not enjoyed life this much in 6 years, it's seriously amazing and actually doing fun stuff is wonderful, not doing boring sh*t like staring at a wall or video games all day and getting high to make myself think I'm actually enjoying it.. I don't look down on anyone with addiction, it's a terrible thing and very hard to overcome.. But go sober for a month and you will remember what true happiness is
To both the former addicts who shared their story of gaining sobriety thank you and I hope you live a plentiful and enjoyable life and remain strong in your sobriety. It is extremely inspiring to see people who are not making excuses like so many addicts do! It's a sad situation and I wish it was easy for everyone to get up and leave it behind but the truth is it takes honest determination and actually wanting it for yourself rather than doing it 'because _____' and trying to fill in the blank. Stay strong, keep inspiring.
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Posted by Guest on 5/18/07 2:08 AM
There are no drug interactions between suboxone and adderall. I cannot function without either one. They seem to level me out and make me the most normal. See complete post
Posted by Guest on 8/9/08 7:16 PM
Hey I take both together and they work good. Neither interact with the others ingredients, so its harmless to take these two together. See complete post
Posted by thedino on 11/24/08 4:43 AM
Ok, first off this is absolutely retarded, I realize. I don't need more people telling me this. What happened is after not taking either of these 2 drugs prescribed, I dosed 40mg. adderall, after about an hour dosed up 20 more mg. totalling 60 mg. after about another hour, totally tweaking and... See complete post
Posted by Forward on 12/11/08 9:56 PM
I would go and get an ultrasound of my chest just to be safe- it sounds like you might have done some cardiac damage. Do you have problems with high blood pressure? If you do, you need to be very careful with adderal as it causes an increase in heart rate and blood pressure- and it sounds... See complete post
Posted by thedino on 12/12/08 1:26 AM
I told my family doctor and he had me get a chest x-ray which of course, showed nothing worng. I know x-rays only to show bone, and any hard tissues, so could there be some lasting damage done to a ventricle or something serious that may show on an ultrasound? Even if there is damage done, what... See complete post
Posted by Guest on 3/6/09 10:41 PM
I am prescribed 20 mg adderall per day as well as 12 mg of suboxone. My suboxone dr told me that it was perfectly fine to take them together. His concern was not about mixing the chemicals, but that adderall is also addictive. I would usually take the 20 mg tablet in halves twice a day, but... See complete post
Posted by capecod on 3/23/09 9:38 PM
I have had withdrawals from Saboxone when only taking about eight over a two week period. I couldn't get any more from my friend who has a prescription. I went into a very bad reaction and ended up in the hospital emergency ward . Shakes VERY BAD, Heart racing VERY BAD panic Hell Yah! See complete post
Posted by Guest on 12/28/09 6:08 PM
That is called withdrawls buddy. Any real addict would know that. Do you know what suboxone is even used for? If you weren't addicted to opiates in the first place why were you taking them? See complete post
Posted by Guest on 3/30/10 9:49 AM
Cuz it gets you high... See complete post
Posted by Tristian on 4/22/10 3:00 PM
yes, but, adderall first. I overdoesed on soboxin one day and I was so close to death the only reason that i lived was because, of the fact that adderall kept my heart beating faster. I grew colder but, it made my heart throb some more in order for me to survive and I still remain. :] See complete post
Posted by Guest on 5/12/10 5:14 AM
thedino wrote: Ok, first off this is absolutely retarded, I realize. I don't need more people telling me this. What happened is after not taking either of these 2 drugs prescribed, I dosed 40mg. adderall, after about an hour dosed up 20 more mg. totalling 60 mg. after about another hour,... See complete post
Posted by Guest on 5/24/10 5:26 AM
suboxone doesnt get you high heroin gets you high suboxones to get people to stop doin herion anyone who does suboxone to get high is just sad. See complete post
Posted by Guest on 6/20/10 4:29 PM
I read the post at the beginning of this page in which the person is saying that they overdosed on Suboxone and only stayed alive because of the adderall making their heart beat. You cannont overdose on Suboxone, it is not medically possible. Also, adderall would be the first of those two drugs... See complete post
Posted by guest on 8/18/10 4:01 PM
You can not overdose on suboxone. The person who said they did is lying . Yes they are a liar. I tried killing myself using suboxone. I took in excess of a dozen 8/2's in under an hour. I didn't even go to the hospital. I have been on suboxone and adderall for over a year. 16mg of... See complete post
Posted by Guest on 10/6/10 9:41 AM
anonymous wrote: yes, but, adderall first. I overdoesed on soboxin one day and I was so close to death the only reason that i lived was because, of the fact that adderall kept my heart beating faster. I grew colder but, it made my heart throb some more in order for me to survive and I still... See complete post
Posted by Guest on 10/6/10 3:52 PM
anonymous wrote: You can not overdose on suboxone. The person who said they did is lying. Yes they are a liar. I tried killing myself using suboxone. I took in excess of a dozen 8/2's in under an hour. I didn't even go to the hospital. I have been on suboxone and adderall for over... See complete post
Posted by Guest on 11/21/10 3:31 AM
The guy that wrote the long novel about not taking suboxone for opiate addiction unless you're trying to kick dones, is wrong. I was a straight junkie for 3 years and still regularly took them 2 years prior. I just didn't have that severe physical dependence until the past 3 years. I... See complete post
Posted by beauflex on 11/23/10 6:08 AM
That guy that was whining about how it all went bad when you took 60 mg of adderall and a little sub is a b***h, i shoot meth, coke and heroin everyday of my life and yeah i kinda feel some screwed up sh*t sometimes, but you talking about small amounts of weak ass drugs and your getting all... See complete post
Posted by Guest on 12/7/10 8:13 PM
Overdosing dosnt necessarily mean dying. You can overdose on suboxone. Perhaps you cannot kill yourself, but yes you can overdose I've seen it happen. See complete post
Posted by Guest on 1/17/11 10:44 PM
If you are NOT opiate dependant you can get high, overdose and die from suboxone use. Opiate dependant people can not get high because though suboxone is an opiate, it is a partial agonist opiate which means there is a ceiling on the feelings you get from it. A non-opiate dependant person will... See complete post
Posted by Guest on 5/11/11 4:27 AM
I just thought I would chime in and clarify this, since this is actually showing up on google and people are probably reading it still. You can overdose on suboxone, but it is very very very unlikely to happen to a normal adult or teenager. Children, especially infants, can have respiratory... See complete post
Posted by chaBOY on 6/1/11 7:48 AM
Now thats what I am talking about 35 and High to die rather than 85 and dry hahahah See complete post
Posted by Love2quit on 6/4/11 5:09 PM
Hey Mr. long writer, I'd love to see where you're at currently with you taper down. It looks like it's been almost a year since you wrote this short novel, lol. I agree with lots of it and would love to take you up on your offer if you're still willing to help me get off... See complete post
Posted by Guest on 6/19/11 7:33 PM
guest wrote: You can not overdose on suboxone. The person who said they did is lying. Yes they are a liar. I tried killing myself using suboxone. I took in excess of a dozen 8/2's in under an hour. I didn't even go to the hospital . I have been on suboxone and adderall for over a year.... See complete post
Posted by Guest on 6/21/11 10:26 PM
Haha! @ the person who said you're sad if you're using suboxone to get high, that's just hilarious. As if using H is some noble cause or something! High is high... To the people who say you can't OD, BS! Chances are if you're prescribed it you cannot, because of a... See complete post
Posted by Andrew Bentivegna on 7/23/11 11:13 AM
thedino wrote: Ok, first off this is absolutely retarded, I realize. I don't need more people telling me this. What happened is after not taking either of these 2 drugs prescribed, I dosed 40mg. adderall, after about an hour dosed up 20 more mg. totalling 60 mg. after about another hour,... See complete post
Posted by Andrew Bentivegna on 7/23/11 11:15 AM
HOPE wrote: Can you take Suboxone & Addaral ( amphetamine salts) together? you can but the effect of the adderall will be way less than if you werent taking subs. They say there are no interactions but based on experience , i can tell you the sub brings the aderall down very quickly See complete post
Posted by A Geezy on 12/31/11 2:06 PM
That was the dumbest asss comment I've ever heard in my life... And Ive even been doing drugs for years... Problem is I have never met or seen a happy drug addict.. People that are on drugs forget what true happiness is because they create a fake happy with the drugs and lose the ability to... See complete post
Posted by Truth on 1/5/12 1:22 PM
To both the former addicts who shared their story of gaining sobriety thank you and I hope you live a plentiful and enjoyable life and remain strong in your sobriety . It is extremely inspiring to see people who are not making excuses like so many addicts do! It's a sad situation and I wish it... See complete post
Posted by Guest on 1/8/12 5:16 AM
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I read the post at the beginning of this page in which the person is saying that they overdosed on Suboxone and only stayed alive because of the adderall making their heart beat. You cannont overdose on Suboxone, it is not medically possible. Also, adderall would be the first of those two drugs to produce death when taken in larger than prescribed doses.
I wanted to post a reply with factual information regarding the use of Suboxone and Adderall. I feel as though the above post, regarding overdosing of Suboxone and Adderall, may give some readers a fear of taking Suboxone and Adderall.
Please, discuss all of your questions, concerns and hesitations with your prescribing doctor. My advice, is simply that, advise so, please do not take my word over the opinions or suggestions of your personal Physician
OMG- Thank you. I HATE it when people try to seem like they know what they are talking about just to look cool. IT IS IMPOSSIBLE to OD on Suboxone. I have been prescribed 16mg daily for about three years now, which is two strips or pills, whichever you prefer. The MAX your body can absorb is 32mg, after that, you can keep popping them till the cows come home, and they will have no effect. It is not an opiate, it is an opiate blocker- an opoide. It blocks the receptors in the brain which absorb opiates, alleviating symptoms of opiate withdrawal, and also almost completely eliminating your cravings. Once those receptors are filled, they have nothing left to do but pass through your system.
If you do not need Suboxone, you can get what some might consider a "buzz" from it, but it is nothing really that enjoyable, and nowhere near what you would consider "high." If you do need the Suboxone, it is a great feeling, and compared to feeling withdrawal symptoms, you do sort of feel high when you first start taking it. You feel like you have energy, and even slightly euphoric. But that is because you are not sick! Being addicted to an opiate long enough to need Suboxone, to feel normal, or what regular people think as normal, seems like a high compared to how you have felt for many months if not years. Like most, in the beginning, I loved the way the Suboxone made me feel, and would try to take more than prescribed, thinking that the "high" feeling would be better. Nope! You feel extreme fatigue, to the point where you can't keep your eyes open, your stomach bothers you, you have no motivation. Once you take too much, it's not a great feeling at all. The reason they are so popular as street drugs is not because of the buzz or high they give, but it is a substitute if one cannot find their opiate drug of choice, whether it be pills (oxycodone, oxycotin, percocet, vicodin, etc.) or heroin. Also, if an addict needs to function for a certain period of time, it works for taking a break from getting high without the negative physical and mental effects. One dose of Suboxone has an extremely long half-life, and will keep you feeling good for almost 24 hours, which is why you only need to take it once a day. If you are halfway through the day and starting to feel sick, you are not at a high enough dose. If you need to take more throughout the day, you are just wasting it. Mostly this effect is a placebo, because your mind is used to drug seeking habits, and is used to having multiple doses of a drug. You THINK you need to take more, when really it is in your mind.
It is such a shame how many ignorant people ruin this drug for so many out of fear. It has been widely used since the 70's with no real adverse long-term effects. People who genuinely need help often take too long to ask because of idiots like the one above who really wants people to believe that he overdosed on Suboxone. Those symptoms are the effects of the Adderall.
I took Adderall a few times because friends were taking it for an upper. They said it had the same effect of cocaine with more euphoria, and lasted longer. Of course, I was young and dumb, and tried it. I did not feel anything near what they were describing, so I took more and more... Even crushing it to snort it. All I ended up with was a huge head ache, a racing heart, and freezing arms and feet. A terrible feeling, I thought I would have a heart attack. Now, I have recently been diagnosed with adult ADHD inattentive type, and looking back at all of the stupid things I have done to screw up my life, it makes a lot of sense. I got into opiates to calm my mind, feel good and normal. It contributed to my drug seeking behavior. I was depressed because I couldn't seem to function normally and get my life together as everyone else I knew, so I turned to drugs. I thought I just wasn't good at life. Now, I am prescribed Adderall with my Suboxone, and for the first time in my life, even since grade school, I feel I know what I have to do and how to do it. Instead of seeing everything at once, I can see realistic steps I need to take.
I am now considering trying to come off of the Suboxone. I figure the withdrawal is nothing like opiate withdrawal (which I have done cold turkey more than once- there is nothing so terrible in the entire world, including child birth.) The main withdrawal symptoms from Suboxone are fatigue, lack of motivation, and insomnia, all of which I already had severely because of my ADHD. I think that, while not eliminating it completely, the Adderall will make it more tolerable, as those were my main problems because of my ADHD. Honestly, there have been a few days where I felt great waking up (I set my alarm for an hour before I need to get up, take my morning Adderall dose, then go back to sleep so when I need to wake up I am refreshed and ready to start the day... before Adderall, no matter how much sleep I got, I could never wake up, wouldn't even be able to get out of bed which screwed up a few jobs as well as school) but feeling good when I wake made me forget the Suboxone, as the best reminder to take it is feeling like c**p!! Then later in the day, I feel run down, kind of in a fog, just general malaise. Then, trying to think about the cause, I realize I had not taken my Suboxone. Looking at the clock and realizing it has been over 36 hours since my last dose makes me feel like I can really make it through and get that gorilla off of my back for good!
So, don't listen to idiots, Suboxone has saved many, many lives, including mine! Now on Adderall, I feel good physically and mentally, and at the late age of 28, I feel ready and confident to start my life. I am enrolled in school again, and am doing wonderful! National Honors Society, Deans list, High Honors, the works. I have always loved learning, but because of ADHD, no matter how much I try or even love the class, I could not focus, arrive on time anywhere, forget to do homework, or do it and lose it, or just not be able to finish it.
Like any drug, monitor your own body, and keep in close contact with a doctor you trust. The prescribe medicines because they feel the positive effects far outweigh the side effects or possible interactions.