Kidney Stone Info/Tricks from a guy who's passed more than 200!
269 answers - active on Feb 19th 2022
I looked through some of these posts and I see that a lot of people have kidney stone issues and have been, or are going through many of the situatios that I have. I have become a sefl-taught expert on kidney stones since I have passed over 200 in my lifetime. I have a congenital kidney disease called Medullary Sponge Kidney Disease and it causes me to make stones like most people grow fingernails.
When you pass that many stones, you get to know your body and tricks to make things less painful so I thought I'd come and tell of some experiences that might help others. In addition to passing more than 200, I've also been through 7 Lythotrypsies so I know all that as well.
I passed my first stone when I was 20. Typical severe pain in my left flank area, like a knife pushed deep and twisting. That lasted several hours and landed me in the E.R. It took me 3 weeks to pass that stone but I finally did. The pain is typically the most instense pain a man will ever go through. The way I know it's a stone is that no amount of re-positioning makes that pain better. It stays the same incredible intensity throughout the experience. For those who are not familiar with stones, the pain is caused when the stone is pushed down the ureters on the way to the bladded. Generally, you will pass a lot of blood the first few times this happens. Not usually bright red blood but very dark rust colored. I actually passed blood the day before the pain. Didn't know, at that time, what was going on but learned quick.
Over the years, I have so much scar tissue built up inside my ureters that I no longer pass any visible blood and seldom feel the stone passing down the ureters. I have even passed 8mm stones and never knew which side it came down because it didn't hurt. But that was after the first 50 or so.
I also know WHERE in the ureter the stone is by the type and location of pain. I know a stone is right near the opening to the bladder because I get this very regular spasm, about every second or so, but the pain is felt in the tip of the penis, as if the stone is actually stuck about 1/2 inch inside the urethra. But higher up the ureter the stone is, the deeper I feel the pain in my penis, ie: If the stone is 1" from the bladder, that spasming is about 1 & 1/2 inches from the tip of my penis. This is when I know I have to push a ton of water.
I generally know when the stone passes into the bladder as I get one more very intense sharp spasm... the kind that make you scream "OUCH"! Then I get ready for the next step... passing it through my penis. This is less painful than it sounds but always shocks the sh!t out of me, excuse my french. It almost always goes like this... I start peeing, and right near the end I feel the stone hit the exit of the bladder. I generally don't get the stone out then. Often it literally gets stuck in my urethra which is really painful and is noted by a sharp pain in that area when bending forward. Then I do this trick... I drink lots of water, wait until my bladder is really full and hit the bathroom. I then hold the very tip of my penis tightly so that no pee can come out. I release the stream, causing my urethra to expand (like in the cartoons when someone plugs a fire hose and a big bubble grows near the end), then I release my grip. This cause a huge, fast stream and generally pushes the trapped stone out. Often, I have to keep squeezing off the penis, over and over again while trying to keep urinating, eventually, I pass the stone. In cases where the stone is particularily large or difficult, I will fill the tub with very warm water, get in and get down on all fours, reaching back to perform the same squeezing technique. This allows you to pee underwater and point the penis straight down, an aid to getting it out of the lowest point in the bladder. Yes, I end up sitting in a bathtub full of water (and my own pee) but it works. I find a huge stone in the bottom of the tub. Then I simply shower.
Because I form stones so fast, they are generally very jagged, like quartz crystals with spikes on the ends. Stones that spend years froming are generally more round and easier to pass. But often, my stones don't show up on xray because they from so fast, they are not dense and therefore, not radio-opaque. This oftens causes me issues as new doctors think I'm faking a stone.
Another trick I use is when I have a stone stuck in my ureter for weeks or months. I go to the E.R. and have them hook me up to a normal sailine I.V. and push it wide open. This moves so much fluid through my kidneys that the stone often moves to the bladder with 2 hours. But this is not recommended for men over 50 as having that much fluid in your boday can cause a heart attack. Basically, you are simulating Congestive Heart Failure by having so much fluid going through your bloodstream. I haven't done the IV thing since I turned 50.
As to what causes my stones, they are almost always calcium-oxylate, the typical type. Drinking colas is the number one way people get these stones. But eating nuts is also not a good idea. Many people say coffee is bad (tea is very high in oxylates) but I actually drink only coffee for the past 5 years and have greatly reduced my stone issues. I do drink lots of coffee and some water too so I think the hydration alone is what's working. I spent 2 years drinking 2 bears a day... never created a stone in 2 years. But I couldn't keep my beer gut from forming. Beer is a great diuretic.
I also try to take a Flomax when I know I'm about to pass a stone. Makes it easier to release the prostate and get flow going.
These are just some of the things I've learned over the years. I hope they help someone. I came here today because I feel like I passed a stone into my bladder but have not been able to flush it out. And at least half the times I go to pee, there is nothing, no pain, no stone trying to exit the bladder near the end. This is very unusual for me. And it happened the same last month... felt I passed a stone but never did. So either I have one stuck in the bladder (which BTW happens often... the bladder is not smooth on the inside, it has lots of folds and crevices that like to hold onto stones) or I am experiencing prostate stones for the first time. I came here looking for symptoms of those as they are new to me.
Good luck to all. Drink lots of water!
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I'm not discouraging anyone from trying the olive oil, but your kidneys don't filter olive oil into your ureters and bladder. Unless your injecting it up your urethra you won't be able to lubricate by ingesting olive oil (I'm not saying to inject olive oil up your urethra). Unless you have major kidney disaese you should never urinate fats.
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Hey thanks a lot for the post, it helped a lot. A couple months ago I was diagnosed with a 3mm kidney stone stuck in my right ureter. It was cause the rust colored urine you described. Being the stubborn person I am I decided to not get any treatment. The atone actually did not cause much pain in my back or anywhere else. For about a month I had thought it was gone but I started to get pains/discomfort in my penis. This was quite alarming to me until I read your post. It gave me great relief. Now I'm on the process of overhydrating to clear it out. Its taking longer than I feel it should, about a month. Once its in the bladder will I know? Is that the most painfiul part?
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need information. i have 2 weeks ago this coming saturday, had the sharp pain between kidney and hip on the right side. Pain lasted for about 6 hours. i could literally feel the little bastard travelling down the ureter. ct scan showed a 3mm stone and i visited the urologist who said good chance you can pass it on your own, come see me again in two weeks which will be this monday coming. anyway for 10 days, i did not feel any pain but on weds, started with fairly intense pain in the bladder and penis area, and the spasm at the tip of my penis, basically making me feel like i need to urinate constantly. went back to the urologist who said they need to surgically remove it, but the problem is i am self-insured and i do not want to pay $7500 to get stone removed.i have been following the suggestions in this thread, thanks for your postings, and consuming glass after glass of water for the pass 5 hours or so. i am also taking hyrdocodon for pain and rapaflo to dilate the opening of the bladder. the pain has recently moved away from the tip of my penis and i feel it more deeply in the center genital area focused on the right side. i am just looking for information as to where i might be in the process and what should i keep doing or not doing. thanks
I'm 17.I've passed about 10 in my life, probably more.First one when I was about 6 or 8 but no one could notice, I wasn't even startled by the incredibly dark blood I was peeing.I have one right now, it's already inside my penis, I have to make subtle movements or I feel it stab the inside.Why god.Why.I just don't understand, people drink soda and alcohol for YEARS, and nothing.I take a sip of coke or pepsi and I literally feel like there's acid flowing through my veins.Well, I can only assume I have the same fate as you. I probably have another 200 coming but at least I'll have inner scars to help out!
A simple X-ray will tell you where the stone is before your surgery.
I have had many kidney stones in the past - the first being the most painful. I would agree that with each passing kidney stone (no pun intended) the pain doesn't seem as severe as the very first one but still incomfortable and painful all the same. While I have had many stones, the last one I had was over 8 yrs ago while 9 months pregnant with my son. About two weeks ago I started to have a familiar left flank pain that no matter what I did to try to be comfortable I could not rid myself o the pain and found myself tossing and turning on my bed from side to side. I thought it might be a stone but usually my stones once I begin feeling the pain will usually be pushed out a couple hours later. Not this time which is what has made me wonder if maybe I'm wrong about it being a stone. I've been uncomfortable for about 2 weeks now. The pain has moved from my left kidney to where my bladder is. Now I feel a constant spasm in my bladder that is literally driving me insane. I went to doctor yesterday and he checked my urine. While my urine was slightly yellow the dip stick showed a lot of blood in my urine. The doctor said I had a UTI but I don't think I agree. He gave me some antibiotic and I've been taking it but I do not feel any type of relief from the symptoms that brought me to him in the first place. I still feel a constant urge to pee and I have this spasm in my bladder. That with the earlier kidney pain and my experience with stones makes me think that this is a stone as well. Plus - this may sound strange but I am very aware of my body and I swear I can just 'feel' something in there that shouldn't be there. Not sure if anyone else can relate to that. Oh gosh its driving me insane. So what do you think? UTI or a stone?
Get an X-ray if acceptable for pregnancy. Otherwise ultrasound. Only way to know.
I'm with Guest. Get an X ray if you can. See if you can get referred to a urologist, as they are more likely to take your pain and description seriously. My first diagnosed kidney stone, I was mistakenly told I had a UTI, too and put on antibiotics by a primary care physician.
I wish to add... at least to my experiences( plural as my doctor calls me a breeder as I passed 7 in a week lol) that my penis will be generally 1/3rd erect and when urinating will almost do a recoil(no other way to describe it, or like the cocking of a gun)a quick jerking motion, while urinating. The stream stops for a split second, the recoil, then the stone pushes through. Is this what the other people here referred to as spasms ? Wasn't trying to type porn here...lol
Haven't experienced that. Any of you taking Moduretic? Works great. Cuts my calcium output by 50%
Hello, This actually really helped, I just turned 16 and was recently diagnosed with the same disease as you, Thankfully I have not passed a kidney stone yet. BUT I am getting some odd spasms near where my bladder would be, Its almost an 1" below my belly button or a little more its weird and had just started happening today literally 10 mins ago Date 8/26/2012 @ 9:33 PM EST time.
Drink lots of water. Like 2-3 liters. You'll be fine.
Hello, I've read so many remedies on how to pass a kidney stone, but 99% are for men. I'm a woman and it's been 8 weeks now and i still have not passed it. I've had two x rays and both indicate the damn thing sitting up on my pelvic. I drink sooooooo much water and urinate so often I can't even count how many times. Let alone how much toilet paper I've gone though. Ugh I've also increased my exercise and still with no avail. Does including beer with the water work? Although wount the beer dehydrate me? Also the olive oil n lemon thing has not worked. If I had insuranus, sure I would have it removed, but don't not so I need to try other remedies. :(. So tired of this. Are there any remedies for woman? Help please. Thank you.
How much pain are you in?