Does anyone know if the WDs won't be as long, since I wasn't taking much Subs and was on them for so short of a time?
The worst part of the WD for me is the mental part. I'm already a person who's mind is constantly racing, over anxious. The WDs definitely do not help lol. I was wondering if, since that seems to be the worst part for me, if something like Xanax could help me out some.
The worst part of the WD for me is the mental part. I'm already a person who's mind is constantly racing, over anxious. The WDs definitely do not help lol. I was wondering if, since that seems to be the worst part for me, if something like Xanax could help me out some.
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@ topspin1617 Are you still posting? I see you have a similar situation as me. I too have only taken a quarter a day (2mg every 24hrs) I am on day 3 of an 1/8 a day (every 27hrs) and this is the best I've felt so far. Yesterday and the day before mornings were difficult but I managed them. Now day 3 I woke up feeling ok. Is this the calm before the storm?
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I to was addicted to pain killers for years. Now i have been on sub for 3 years. i recently found out i have a tumor on my pancreas and will have to have surgery next week. Very painfull. I stopped sub 3 days ago and have been taking perks to help with w/d but not really helping. so i took a half a sub today and i feel great. So is there any quicker way to get off them. or is there a pain med they can give me without the sub blocking it? any help would be appreciated.
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I was addicted to pain killers n drugs for 10 years ive self prescribed suboxone to get off em then i started sniffing subs that got me high then i couldnt sleep ive been usin k-pins n adderol to come off of the suboxone subs r just as bad to come off of i was like everyone else i wanted to b high to get work n life done n keep goin until it catches up to you but its not worth it we all need to get the drugs outta my system but seems like everytime the devil send misery to get you right back to where you started and its hard but life is worth living im sick of it plus stress is a big factor you know.idk like having a lil pill run my life it sux i feel all u drug abusers like myself but im waiting for the defining moment to change my life its got to come soon! i pray so good luck people you got to want to get clean no other way! dont we all listened to our parents lol!
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Hi there everyone as i started to read everyones posts and Im in tears! I have been on SUB. for going on about a year now. I started taking SUB. last year when I found out that I was pregnant. I was a big mess of stupid! I was taking about 12 L.tabs or any kind of pain pill I could get my hands on a day! I was spending sooo much money on them it was crazy. I was also smoking Ice. Looking back on everything thing I was doing I cant even believe that was me. I smoked all day everyday. Let explain I got caught up with the wrong guy and that lead to the wrong people so basicly I had as much of what ever I wanted when ever I wanted. When I found out that I was pregnant I knew deep inside that I had no other choice but to stop. I wanted to do what was right. Well the day that I found out that I was preg. My father went into a coma and passed away. So that did nothing for my sobrity! I was scared to go to the doctor because I knew that I was dirty. But I sucked it up and went in and told the doc that I needed help. (I only told him that I needed help with the pills) i was able to stop smoking on my own. Anyways he sent me to an "addiction specialist" who started me on SUB. and I have been clean from everything else since then. He started me out with taking 2 2mg pills a day. After a few months on that I was tempted to use again so he had me start taking 3 2mg pills a day. I did that for 2 months and decided that I just want to be done with this problem I want a normal life for me and my lil girls. So I told him that I wanted to tapper down he was very nice about it and said that he thought it was time too. The messed up thing about this story is that we had gotten down to 1 pill a day and I went in there for my regular appt last week and the doc just acted kind of weird but he gave me my script like usual and said ok heres a script for 12 pills I want you to take 1 pill a day for 7 days and then break the last 5 in half and then you should be done! WTH!!!! He said that he wasnt gonna set me another appt. because he had faith in me that I could get off after that. He gave me a hug and sent me on my way! Well went I went to get my script filled the pharmacy called me and told me that my insurance had expired since I was not pregnant anymore they could not cover my treatment or prescriptions anymore. I broke down in tears. I went ahead and paid for the last prescription that he had given me. But since I knew that I wouldnt be able to get or afford to get anymore I have been breaking all my pills in half and taking only a half a day. The first day that I took a half I thought It would of been sooo much worst then it was. But it wasnt that bad. I have to work from 7 - 5 everyday so I was very nervous that I wouldnt be able to make it. I did start feeling a lil bit of with drawl as the day came to a close and my nights have been a bit hard. But Im just so scared that I will not be able to do this when I run out of my half's , I have a 7 month old baby girl at home that I have to take care of on my own and a job that is full time. Im praying that I can do this Im soo scared and I know that I have came too far to go back. I will be praying for all of you I hope that you all get through this problem god bless you!
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I have been on the subs for about 2 years and i disagree with the subhelper. I tried many times to get off the subs and its a long painfull process. I agree with him about how to wien down but its so painfull that myself and others i know end up going back on. If you work i recommend that you take a family leave act and or find a way to go on dissability for 4 to 6 months and do as the subhelper recommends to wien down. Other than that i would find it difficult to function safely and properly at work wiening down off this devils drug. I regret not doing the research before i fell into suboxones reign of terror. If i could go back i would get an adequate amount of low strength vicodines, give it to someone i could trust and cant manipulate. then you can have that person distribute them to you after coming up with a wiening down program. I would have taken time off work as well. Oh well to late now but someday i will beat this c**p.
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that is a prime example of a clueless doctor that really does not know the painfull and lenghtly process it takes. I would try some way to come up with the money get another script and they will let you buy a couple at a time. I know its more per pill that way but by buying a couple at a time wont break the bank. this way you can take it really slow and painless as possible. only get more subs if you need to after your last script he wrote. I just needed to clarify that. Remember its not about pleasing the doctor its about your quality of life being good and pain free as possible.
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I've been taking subs for about 2 to 3 years and I with drawl from it!! I don't see how people don't !! If there is anyone that can help me get off subs if u are with drawling from them let me know! I'm only 21 and I'm seriously ruining my life!! It effects me from getting a job cuz I don't wanna be with drawling at work!!! Anyone with any help please let me know !!! Thanks
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I was on roxy 30 mg and id do atleast 3 a day, and at the most 6 a day.. I took suboxen 2 days ago, one film at 12pm & one @ 1am.. I feel fine? It's been 2 days and I'm sober, and I have no symptoms? Is this the half life working? Will I be sick again? Will I be fine from now on?
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hi htucci7,
I've been a long time user of sub for at least 5 years, maybe 10--I honestly can't remember how long. It did take me a long time to establish the right dose for me over the years as basically I was taking too much for keeping things "normal" day to day. The final dose for me was 2 mg/day for which I stayed on for the last 2 years. Then I decided enough was enough, so I started to to wean myself off. Slowly. I got down to 1 mg, then the last time was .8 mg or so. (BTW, the best way to dilute accurately is to put the 8mg pill in 40ml of water and then draw up in a syringe the amount needed, e.g., 4cc=0.8mg) After a couple of mostly care free weeks, I quit altogether. Oops, big mistake. Are you kidding me?? .8mg a day for two weeks, and WD are this bad?? I'm in my 4th day now and would really be feeling lousy w/o the help on some vics. As each day goes by, I'm reducing the vics.
My whole point here is that sub is an insidious drug. It's b***h to get off of. So my friend, heed this advice: use the sub just enough to get off what your taking, but do not under any circumstances take it on a long term basis if you really want to stay clean. However, if you don't have the will power to stay clean (as I was, and I'm 66 now), then sub will do that for you and you won't have opiate cravings. So let me end with this: I've used/craved opiates all my life, but now it's going to end so you young f*****s out there who want to keep scamming, looking for next connection, worrying about the law, think again--it's not worth it--just get off the dope now....
I've been a long time user of sub for at least 5 years, maybe 10--I honestly can't remember how long. It did take me a long time to establish the right dose for me over the years as basically I was taking too much for keeping things "normal" day to day. The final dose for me was 2 mg/day for which I stayed on for the last 2 years. Then I decided enough was enough, so I started to to wean myself off. Slowly. I got down to 1 mg, then the last time was .8 mg or so. (BTW, the best way to dilute accurately is to put the 8mg pill in 40ml of water and then draw up in a syringe the amount needed, e.g., 4cc=0.8mg) After a couple of mostly care free weeks, I quit altogether. Oops, big mistake. Are you kidding me?? .8mg a day for two weeks, and WD are this bad?? I'm in my 4th day now and would really be feeling lousy w/o the help on some vics. As each day goes by, I'm reducing the vics.
My whole point here is that sub is an insidious drug. It's b***h to get off of. So my friend, heed this advice: use the sub just enough to get off what your taking, but do not under any circumstances take it on a long term basis if you really want to stay clean. However, if you don't have the will power to stay clean (as I was, and I'm 66 now), then sub will do that for you and you won't have opiate cravings. So let me end with this: I've used/craved opiates all my life, but now it's going to end so you young f*****s out there who want to keep scamming, looking for next connection, worrying about the law, think again--it's not worth it--just get off the dope now....
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Omg how is it people can afford 1/200$ a day but not the 10 15$ a day to get off opiods suboxen is a life saver & all though yes I have read how hard it is to get off but if you taper down I know me& my fiancé kicked very bad opiod addiction 4/5 8o's a day and 20/30 perks but started 16 mg suboxen daily Now that I am finally seeing a pain management specialist for a car accident I was in 4 yrs ago now instead of self medicating the doctor actually didnot know I was taking suboxen he prescribed me Cymbalta for pain & amitriptlyne for sleep Wow let me tell you pain improved so far aftr only 5 days. 20/30% & Nooo graving Withdrawl atall from saboxen I can now say just like once starting suboxne the feeling of Normal. is how I feel again Thanx to these 2 meds anyone trying to kick suboxone Talk to your doctor about CymbAlta & amitriptylne for getting sleep at nite honestly 5 days No Subox & feeling Great again Normal Nooo withdrawals. Everyone is different an although never saw myself on a antidepressant this med really works just to Subdue pain & definAtly helps your mind Not Experience the withdrawals FantAstic best combination for me everyone is different but I Suggest Cymbalta& Amitrip to Anyone kicking subox & wanting to bypass horrible withdrawls. best of luck to Everyone
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I just read a post on another thread that astounded me, and something I should have known and didn't. The dose of Buprenorphine for "normal" people with moderate to severe pain is 0.3 mg IM and not to exceed 0.6mg!!! Holy c**p. This explains a lot of things, especially how potent subs are. Google Buprenex for more details. Thought this would be worthwhile to share.
Meanwhile, it's been 6 full days off of the sub, and down to 3, 5mg vics a day spaced out 7 hrs apart; 5mg@8am, 5mg@3pm, 5mg@11pm. Initially, it was close to 30 mg/day. The 5 mg dose I took last night before bed was too much imo as I was getting too much of a rush from it. This is something that I do not want at all. Tonight I'll take a 7.5 and break it in half--this one is simply for sleeping--I don't want my clueless wife next to me see me tossing and turning all night. (those vics have been sitting in my cabinet for years while being on sub, I had no desire for them until now.) Once I get down to zero vic intake, I really want to s**t can them, but the wife might notice and wonder why. I'll only use them until this gd sub is out of my system. I'm assuming 2 weeks to be safe, but as I taper off the vics, I'll know. Actually, it's been 6 hrs since my last 5mg, and I'm not feeling THAT bad. Maybe I'll skip it and just drink a few beers--I'll give that a try--and will report back later.
Oh, and as a passing thought, one thing I started doing a few days ago that has really help me and that's to document each days vic intake as I had trouble remembering when and how much I'd taken--this has kept me on a consistent path....
Meanwhile, it's been 6 full days off of the sub, and down to 3, 5mg vics a day spaced out 7 hrs apart; 5mg@8am, 5mg@3pm, 5mg@11pm. Initially, it was close to 30 mg/day. The 5 mg dose I took last night before bed was too much imo as I was getting too much of a rush from it. This is something that I do not want at all. Tonight I'll take a 7.5 and break it in half--this one is simply for sleeping--I don't want my clueless wife next to me see me tossing and turning all night. (those vics have been sitting in my cabinet for years while being on sub, I had no desire for them until now.) Once I get down to zero vic intake, I really want to s**t can them, but the wife might notice and wonder why. I'll only use them until this gd sub is out of my system. I'm assuming 2 weeks to be safe, but as I taper off the vics, I'll know. Actually, it's been 6 hrs since my last 5mg, and I'm not feeling THAT bad. Maybe I'll skip it and just drink a few beers--I'll give that a try--and will report back later.
Oh, and as a passing thought, one thing I started doing a few days ago that has really help me and that's to document each days vic intake as I had trouble remembering when and how much I'd taken--this has kept me on a consistent path....
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Next day Update: Yesterday I took 2.5 mg at 6:30 pm. Consumed 8 beers (always have forever, at least for 40 years--I never,ever get drunk--and I'm 66 now, look 56, and in good body shape--good genes I guess). Felt relatively fine. Don't get me wrong, the malaise was there and I had not much interest in doing anything, but there's no pain, or feeling like real s**t, so things are moving on. Just before bed at 10pm I took 2.5 mg iunstead of the planned 5 mg. Woke up at 4am and took another 2.5 as I couldn't get back to sleep.
Btw, in my 1st post I said I couldn't remember whether I was on sub for 5 or 10 years--I found an old bottle from the doc dated 9/2003 so it has been at least that long I've been on sub.
So yesterday, my plan was 15 mg of vics, but only 12.5 mg was necessary. So today, instead of starting off with 5 mg, I'll split a 7.5 and take only 3.75 to start the day; we'll see how long this works.
It's friday today, and it was last friday that I took my last sub of approx. 0.8mg. Not feeling too bad after taking my 3.75 mg of vic. Not great, still have these damn chills, slight malaise, but good appetite. (the 1st,2nd day not much at all, but the vics sure helped.) I'm being really careful about just much vicodin that I'm taking--I don't want to create another habit as I have too many vics left-just enough to sleep and maintain during the day as I wean off of them.
So my plan today is: 3.75mg at 8am (1/2 of a 7.5/600 vic, already taken), 3.75 at 3pm, and 3.75 at bedtime for a total of 11.25 mg. This may be a bit optimistic, but we'll see. I hope this works 'cause it's hard to believe that 12 mg of hydro/day is going to be an issue to get off of. I may just stabilize at this dose until I really start to feel normal. Then just 3.75 nightly for sleep. I just have to wait and see as I've never had to jump from sub before. Btw while I think of it, I've also been taking 50mg of 5-HTP and 10 mg melatonin for sleep, which seems to have been helping too.
Sidenote: I notice too that people come here to this forum when they are sick or getting ready to jump off, but few if any repost after getting well. There's really no incentive after you are "well"--your thoughts are on other stuff. So for the sake of the curious, I'll try to continue to post for the next couple of weeks. And of course as many people find out, it's a bit theraputic to post here.
Btw, in my 1st post I said I couldn't remember whether I was on sub for 5 or 10 years--I found an old bottle from the doc dated 9/2003 so it has been at least that long I've been on sub.
So yesterday, my plan was 15 mg of vics, but only 12.5 mg was necessary. So today, instead of starting off with 5 mg, I'll split a 7.5 and take only 3.75 to start the day; we'll see how long this works.
It's friday today, and it was last friday that I took my last sub of approx. 0.8mg. Not feeling too bad after taking my 3.75 mg of vic. Not great, still have these damn chills, slight malaise, but good appetite. (the 1st,2nd day not much at all, but the vics sure helped.) I'm being really careful about just much vicodin that I'm taking--I don't want to create another habit as I have too many vics left-just enough to sleep and maintain during the day as I wean off of them.
So my plan today is: 3.75mg at 8am (1/2 of a 7.5/600 vic, already taken), 3.75 at 3pm, and 3.75 at bedtime for a total of 11.25 mg. This may be a bit optimistic, but we'll see. I hope this works 'cause it's hard to believe that 12 mg of hydro/day is going to be an issue to get off of. I may just stabilize at this dose until I really start to feel normal. Then just 3.75 nightly for sleep. I just have to wait and see as I've never had to jump from sub before. Btw while I think of it, I've also been taking 50mg of 5-HTP and 10 mg melatonin for sleep, which seems to have been helping too.
Sidenote: I notice too that people come here to this forum when they are sick or getting ready to jump off, but few if any repost after getting well. There's really no incentive after you are "well"--your thoughts are on other stuff. So for the sake of the curious, I'll try to continue to post for the next couple of weeks. And of course as many people find out, it's a bit theraputic to post here.
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Yesterday, Friday, was a relatively decent day--no sickness to speak of, but not quite there yet. Still really no gumption to go do things, but am able to get all chores done w/o discomfort. Last night at 10:30 I took 1/2 of a 7.5 vic and woke up at 12 when wife came to bed. Laid there w RLS, wtf? Took another 2.5 mg (1/2 of a 5mg) to get back to sleep. Slept fine until 8:30 am. So now it seems, my daily maintaining dose of hydro will be 13.75 mg (combination of halves of 5mg and 7.7mg pills). I'm being precise, because the amount I'm taking is so small--not to get high--just enough to get thru the day w/o problem. I have no idea where I am with the sub detox, but I'm going to assume at least another week of feeling sh**ty. It's been 8 days now w/o any sub. It's obviously a slow, slow process to get off it. It will be ironic that coming off of 14 mg of hydro precipitates wd, but will deal with that once I'm convinced that the sub is out of my system. Maybe next weekend, which is superbowl, I'm going out of town for 3 days (no wife, no "duties") might be a good time to bite the bullet and reduce my hydro to nearly zero (I suspect that to sleep, I will have to take a small nighly dose). Another possibility is see my doc and ask for a short supply of some kind of sleeping pills. We'll see. Like they say, it's day by day. And btw, if it wasn't for my wife being clueless about this, I'd probably try to be more aggressive with this, but I've got to seem normal around her (she's a working RN). Well, here goes, another day......
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Today is Sunday and 9 nine days since my last dose of sub. Even when have taken small amounts of vic over the last few days, I still have the chills, malaise and runny stools. But I can sleep. Yesterday for some unknown reason, I felt really crappy. It's been up and down all along the way. I will keep using the vic until day 14 when I believe all the sub c**p is out of my system. Remember, I weaned down to ~0.8mg/day before jumping off. So unless something changes until day 14, I'll continue to use the vic (as needed, but never exceeding what's necessary to stay half way normal). On day 14 (next Friday) I will use the vic only for sleep and just tough it out unless things are still too bad--we'll see. The wife works Tuesday thru Friday this week, so during the day I don't need to be "normal" and can cut my vic dose down. I mean, 10 mg of hydro a day shouldn't be a big deal, should it?? I can hear those in the background thinking "p*ssy". lol, everyone is different so don't be too critical on your high horse. Anyway, again it's day by day. This blog will help me in the future too when I think about relapsing and seeing how long this process has taken. And one last thought, I'd wished I had weaned still further, like down to 0.2mg/day at least. Oh well,...........
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